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Posted: 10 January 2011 at 9:41pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by dhakarn

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well, to me the scene they showed as u described it was just for sake of advertisement on social issues..............how could a women who is downtrodden for many years and ill treated for years just rise up and slap or give fitting answer to her tormentor, just in a jiffy...............courage will not come just like that unless its a life threatening situation of urs or ur dear ones...........it takes too much pressure to finally shake off the shackles that binds u to the traditions and man-made rules of the society................and ofcourse he will never hit his wife ever again, now, is that is going to be shown...........just one slap and he is reformed.................then there won't be any angad's and sakthi's in the world..............wow,what a beautiful world...............
no  dr................their focuss was not upon reforming her husband but how shd women gather courage to fight back in such situations............... i feel that sometimes in life..........after so much torture n injustice a time comes wen person gains all the courage to fight back................thats wat the situation in this case................talking about kesar.............wen she'll fight back against shakti.....................she still have no courage seeing pratigya............she still hides behinds pratigya n never tries to learn nything from her..................everyone learns something from his company than why can't a woamn like kesar........../?


dear , if slapping a man is the means of reform his way of thinking then i would just say its pathetic............... see, in pratigya we saw the consequences of such an action, which is true in the real world..............society can't be reformed one fine day...............kesar is the perfect example for a downtrodden and hopeless women.................she saw what life could be and who a women could be only after she saw pratigya.............she took her time to adjust to the kind of freedom and love pratigya enjoys which she has only dreampt of.................but she is too rooted in traditions and 'pati parameshwar hai' mantra that its not easy for her to rise up and strike back...........her upbringing , her family , her surroundings, her mind set all has taught her something else.........she is trying to adjust to the new world in which pratigya is living and is trying to understand it.............here a random women is shown to slap her husband , just like that...........huh, where had been she living ? in the mars? a person's upbringing, the traditions and rules one believes, their surroundings all decide a person's behavior in a given situation.........here just a few words from another women and this women miraculously gathers up the courage to strike back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no dhanya.................that woman didn't slap her husband but wen husband was trying to force her to go back to house after soo much humiliation.......she replyed bck that u can't force me to go with u............i guess it's vryyy rare to see a wife slaping her husband in ny society..........it was  not only the impact of few words 4m other women but sometimes wen u see other ppl fighting back u also get courage to be like them..............it;'s not a matter of fact but how and wen u'll gather that courage...........yaar we can't compare woman like kesar to ny other lady,everyone has individual personality.............like u said it's about ur upbringing and all...........ksar never seen her mother fighting back soo how can she ever get the courage to fight back...........even GD never fight back for hr rights.....
 
 
             @amarapali dubey-in the begning of the topic i said that my intention is not to promote ny other show through this theard but want to express my dissatisfaction with the way cv's show social isuues in pratigya.......


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Posted: 10 January 2011 at 9:49pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by elle45

While I do agree with everyone that reform doesnt come in a day, and it will take Kesar time to gather courage against Shakti... I do agree with Pragati that when you want to have a serial with the message of women fighting against injustice, you have to show the women slowly developing courage to take a stand against the injustice.

True, in the other show, it might be a bit unrealistic to show the sudden reform, but at least they showed that there does come a time when the woman has had enough. That time should have come long ago for Kesar. Till date, there is not an iota of progress in Kesar. If not an immediate transformation, then at least she should have been shown to made slow progress. CVs have just forgotten about Kesar.
 
 
         elle,it's not about sudden reform and all.....wat cv's have to show is women fighting back for their self respect...........in our society women are  under so much pressure of family and society that thy don't have enough courage to stand up for their self respect and all...............showing women fighting back for their rights in  a  correct manner chd bring transformation in our society.........well i must say the way cv's have showed social evil like eve teasing was vry contradictory n i doubt if ny grl get ny inspiration from pratigya......at least i didn't..................of one side thy showed krishna loves her toooo much and on other side thy showed krishna following her haraassing her but he had no idea that he was eve teasing her...........comeone ....no matter how much a guy is illitarate he must have the sence to know that hez eve teasing a grl........but krishna didn't showed that he was doing all this to harraass prats......
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Posted: 10 January 2011 at 9:56pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Mili97

Hi Pragati,
I have always been of the opinion that if the POPs are showing torture they should also show a way out of it. There are so many women who may be in a similar situation and looking for some answers about how to get out their messy lives. I agree, MKAP does not show workable solutions that a battered or a harrassed woman can use. 
exactly milli...............cv's are showing social issues, and all the suffrings on women but not showing how to get out out of it...........in our society women like  pratigya already have all the courage to fight back for their rights but ty shd show women like kesar taking a stand for themselfs............our show shows social evils but thy don't know the correct manner in which it shd b shown,so that women and our society get inspired of it.........showing such serious social evils with a touch of dramatic  masala and ll is not gonna work  for society and specially for women whom thy want to inspire from their shows.....
 
 
        @yummylicious- yes kalpana bora is leaving the show now.............she said this  in a interveiw also...........


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Posted: 10 January 2011 at 10:28pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by pragati.tankha

Originally posted by elle45

While I do agree with everyone that reform doesnt come in a day, and it will take Kesar time to gather courage against Shakti... I do agree with Pragati that when you want to have a serial with the message of women fighting against injustice, you have to show the women slowly developing courage to take a stand against the injustice.

True, in the other show, it might be a bit unrealistic to show the sudden reform, but at least they showed that there does come a time when the woman has had enough. That time should have come long ago for Kesar. Till date, there is not an iota of progress in Kesar. If not an immediate transformation, then at least she should have been shown to made slow progress. CVs have just forgotten about Kesar.
 
 
         elle,it's not about sudden reform and all.....wat cv's have to show is women fighting back for their self respect...........in our society women are  under so much pressure of family and society that thy don't have enough courage to stand up for their self respect and all...............showing women fighting back for their rights in  a  correct manner chd bring transformation in our society.........well i must say the way cv's have showed social evil like eve teasing was vry contradictory n i doubt if ny grl get ny inspiration from pratigya......at least i didn't..................of one side thy showed krishna loves her toooo much and on other side thy showed krishna following her haraassing her but he had no idea that he was eve teasing her...........comeone ....no matter how much a guy is illitarate he must have the sence to know that hez eve teasing a grl........but krishna didn't showed that he was doing all this to harraass prats......


hey dear, krishna just don't know what he was doing was wrong.............its written in the shows synopsis that he did what he did bec he thought that was right......................he didn't have any other notion about women..........remember the paan dialogue...........i would say he still thinks that women r objects for pleasure but the degree is very much less..............

and pratigya showed how to fight abusement when she left krishna and refused to go with him and then later apologize.............kesar is a different sort of women, it will take her time to react.........she has started to react...........see, she had the courage to stop amma from hitting pratigya yesterday, a step she would never had dreampt to take...................


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Posted: 10 January 2011 at 10:38pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by dhakarn

Originally posted by pragati.tankha

Originally posted by elle45

While I do agree with everyone that reform doesnt come in a day, and it will take Kesar time to gather courage against Shakti... I do agree with Pragati that when you want to have a serial with the message of women fighting against injustice, you have to show the women slowly developing courage to take a stand against the injustice.

True, in the other show, it might be a bit unrealistic to show the sudden reform, but at least they showed that there does come a time when the woman has had enough. That time should have come long ago for Kesar. Till date, there is not an iota of progress in Kesar. If not an immediate transformation, then at least she should have been shown to made slow progress. CVs have just forgotten about Kesar.
 
 
         elle,it's not about sudden reform and all.....wat cv's have to show is women fighting back for their self respect...........in our society women are  under so much pressure of family and society that thy don't have enough courage to stand up for their self respect and all...............showing women fighting back for their rights in  a  correct manner chd bring transformation in our society.........well i must say the way cv's have showed social evil like eve teasing was vry contradictory n i doubt if ny grl get ny inspiration from pratigya......at least i didn't..................of one side thy showed krishna loves her toooo much and on other side thy showed krishna following her haraassing her but he had no idea that he was eve teasing her...........comeone ....no matter how much a guy is illitarate he must have the sence to know that hez eve teasing a grl........but krishna didn't showed that he was doing all this to harraass prats......


hey dear, krishna just don't know what he was doing was wrong.............its written in the shows synopsis that he did what he did bec he thought that was right......................he didn't have any other notion about women..........remember the paan dialogue...........i would say he still thinks that women r objects for pleasure but the degree is very much less..............

and pratigya showed how to fight abusement when she left krishna and refused to go with him and then later apologize.............kesar is a different sort of women, it will take her time to react.........she has started to react...........see, she had the courage to stop amma from hitting pratigya yesterday, a step she would never had dreampt to take...................
 
                 hiii dhanya, thats wat i'm saying yaar..........howz it's possible that a guy like krishna who was shown to smart b4 M that he understood angad's intentions clearly than how he didn't understand that he was harrassing pratigya...............from the begning of the show krishna is just doing wat he feels is ryt,but my point is is he soo dumb that he didn't realise that his antics are harrasing a grl...............how can he thought that pratigya will understand his love for her after krishna getting arrest adarsh............? all these incidents didn't make me hate krishna for his antics.........for eve teasing prats............i wanna say that if cv's actually wanted to show pratigya's fight against eve tease than thy shd have shown krishna eve teasing her with ba dintentions not bz  he didn't know any other way to show his love for her........showing it like this krishna's charatcer didn't get ny kind of hatered from fair sex atleast from ME.........
               

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Posted: 10 January 2011 at 11:13pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by pragati.tankha

Originally posted by dhakarn

Originally posted by pragati.tankha

Originally posted by elle45

While I do agree with everyone that reform doesnt come in a day, and it will take Kesar time to gather courage against Shakti... I do agree with Pragati that when you want to have a serial with the message of women fighting against injustice, you have to show the women slowly developing courage to take a stand against the injustice.

True, in the other show, it might be a bit unrealistic to show the sudden reform, but at least they showed that there does come a time when the woman has had enough. That time should have come long ago for Kesar. Till date, there is not an iota of progress in Kesar. If not an immediate transformation, then at least she should have been shown to made slow progress. CVs have just forgotten about Kesar.
 
 
         elle,it's not about sudden reform and all.....wat cv's have to show is women fighting back for their self respect...........in our society women are  under so much pressure of family and society that thy don't have enough courage to stand up for their self respect and all...............showing women fighting back for their rights in  a  correct manner chd bring transformation in our society.........well i must say the way cv's have showed social evil like eve teasing was vry contradictory n i doubt if ny grl get ny inspiration from pratigya......at least i didn't..................of one side thy showed krishna loves her toooo much and on other side thy showed krishna following her haraassing her but he had no idea that he was eve teasing her...........comeone ....no matter how much a guy is illitarate he must have the sence to know that hez eve teasing a grl........but krishna didn't showed that he was doing all this to harraass prats......


hey dear, krishna just don't know what he was doing was wrong.............its written in the shows synopsis that he did what he did bec he thought that was right......................he didn't have any other notion about women..........remember the paan dialogue...........i would say he still thinks that women r objects for pleasure but the degree is very much less..............

and pratigya showed how to fight abusement when she left krishna and refused to go with him and then later apologize.............kesar is a different sort of women, it will take her time to react.........she has started to react...........see, she had the courage to stop amma from hitting pratigya yesterday, a step she would never had dreampt to take...................
 
                 hiii dhanya, thats wat i'm saying yaar..........howz it's possible that a guy like krishna who was shown to smart b4 M that he understood angad's intentions clearly than how he didn't understand that he was harrassing pratigya...............from the begning of the show krishna is just doing wat he feels is ryt,but my point is is he soo dumb that he didn't realise that his antics are harrasing a grl...............how can he thought that pratigya will understand his love for her after krishna getting arrest adarsh............? all these incidents didn't make me hate krishna for his antics.........for eve teasing prats............i wanna say that if cv's actually wanted to show pratigya's fight against eve tease than thy shd have shown krishna eve teasing her with ba dintentions not bz  he didn't know any other way to show his love for her........showing it like this krishna's charatcer didn't get ny kind of hatered from fair sex atleast from ME.........
               


eve teaser with a bad intention is angad here...................krishna loves her...............he was of the opinion that girls r meant to be acquired not wonand he did just that at the beginning while under the wrong impression that P also loves him madly................and as far as his reaction to her family is concerned, he is not a good person to disregard them and treat them with respect...........remember the dialouge he said when the police called him to inform that P's family is trying to file a case against them...............he said he was wrong in thinking of being nice to them, its time they should be taught a lesson(so he was being nice to them as per his standards)..........he was under the false impression that her family didn't approve of their love and is trying to threaten her into submission............remember he specifically asked her whether she has agreed to marry nitin out of force...............and also during the engagement he asked her not to be afraid of anyone and speak the truth, he is always there for her...............
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Posted: 10 January 2011 at 11:17pm | IP Logged
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eve teaser with a bad intention is angad here...................krishna loves her...............he was of the opinion that girls r meant to be acquired not wonand he did just that at the beginning while under the wrong impression that P also loves him madly................and as far as his reaction to her family is concerned, he is not a good person to disregard them and treat them with respect...........remember the dialouge he said when the police called him to inform that P's family is trying to file a case against them...............he said he was wrong in thinking of being nice to them, its time they should be taught a lesson(so he was being nice to them as per his standards)..........he was under the false impression that her family didn't approve of their love and is trying to threaten her into submission............remember he specifically asked her whether she has agreed to marry nitin out of force...............and also during the engagement he asked her not to be afraid of anyone and speak the truth, he is always there for her...............
[/QUOTE] yeah......all in all it was so vry confussing na............his character was made that grls whd hate him but inisially grls supported his love for prats.......EmbarrassedLOL
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Posted: 10 January 2011 at 11:23pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by yummimommy

Pragati I can understand Kesar's silence. Often women in  her position are too afraid to speak. Considering how influential the Thakurs are it is more difficult for Kesar to take a stand.
What infuriated me recently was how lovingly she ironed KN shirts.
I can expect silence but I also expect rage under the surface. She is too mahan for me. Easily forgiving everybody including A.
I expect that she will rise when she learns of her own murder plot. If she still doesn't react then there is no hope. will she remain a bobblehead?
BTW did KB quit or is she staying on?


KB quit, we may see a new Kesar when she returns from maike after replacement is found and then she may come back with a new attitude and do some dishum-dishum with KN and Takurain for all the hell they put her through esp. the way she lost the baby. What if she goes to maike when she is preggies now after that force on the terrace. She could stay there for the duration of her pregnancy and return home with a Takur potha shocking the family.

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