Bani, please call me Aashvee (My points in red)
Again sorry, I wasn't able to explain myself properly. Hopefully I'm better this time.
Basically, what I could udnerstand...your question is who the stalker is and if it is Viren, what the purpose is?
I cant really say who the stalker is for sure. CC is definitely in it, and my guess is Viren. CC because, someone from the elders need to be there, as otherwise the mental state of Nivi's mother could not be established so well. Unless, we know a little more about Viren's past, we cannot say for surity why he is so, if at all he is. I might be wrong about Viren. I agree I am confused.
CC, I agree is a strong contender. And I also agree that money, property would be her motive. While I can see CC and JW in this together, I can't see how their alienating Nivedita or proving her mad or sending her to an institution or driving her to commit suicide is going to give them any property.
For CC and JW to get hold of any property, they have to get rid of Siddharth as Siddharth holds the POA and manages the business, is the blue eyed boy for his Dadaji and has controlling power and stake (assuming) in Sood Industries (or whatever the business is called)
So, what kind of motive would CC and JW have to get rid of Nivedita?
(a) They hate Nivedita
(b) They hate that Nivedita is married to Viren
(c) They hate Nivedita's father
(d) Probably Nivedita's father has seen JW kill Bhuvan
(e) Probably CC and JW were involved in Nirmala's death
Options (c) (d) and (e) are obviously not relevant. So either they want to get rid of Nivedita because they do not want Viren to be married to her. But for that they have to kill her because, given that Viren loves her very much, he is not going to let go of her just because she is insane. of course, if they prove she is insane they could dissolve the marriage (or whatever the legal terms is)
But they do not get any property through this way. In fact, at the moment, dadaji is most pleased with Nivedita. And through Nivedita, they could even hope to get into the good books of dadaji. Maybe.
But even the fear of dadaji is not instilling any fear in CC. Or JW. But whether they are stalkers? Just getting rid of Nivedita, the only motive is to get her away from Viren's life. They won't get any property. Unless BS has signed off all his property to Nivedita suddenly. And if Nivedita is proved insane, the money will go to Viren.
Or unless there is some property in Nivedita's name that comes to her on marriage through her grandparents or something...(but that's too long a shot and that too, in utter darkness)
And I just cannot believe that Viren is acting in cahoots with CC. That would be a destruction of the character, that would make it utterly negative. So, that cannot be a possibility for me.
So, as far as CC or JW are concerned, either they are together or it's one of them acting with someone else but really, I cannot see Viren colluding with them.
And I don't see how CC acting alone or with JW can be doing this for property. Because how will they eliminate Siddharth by proving Nivedita insane?
I agree that Viren's past is mysterious and I wish they would show us something which can give us some clue about what kind of obsession he will have. I believe it will be an obsessive desire to catch the culprit responsible for harming Nivedita.
But I can write the reasons why my guess is Viren.
1. From the time Viren is introduced, creatives have sort of tried to put him into the shoes, that when Sid could not keep his vows to Nivedita, Viren is always for Nivedita. This is a bit forceful that always a contrast about supporting her is presented to Nivi, about Sid and Viren.
But could that not be a way of just differentiating between the relationship Sid and Nivi shared and the relationship Viren and Nivi have/will have. Maybe they want to show the difference between the two relationships to highlight why Nivedita will fall deeply in love with Viren. And here, I have that question about whether this is the original story or it has been tweaked. If it has been tweaked, then for sure, it is to highlight the difference and to prove NivRen having a stronger relationship. If not, I don't know.
2. Sid, apart from his massacre about Keshav and Nivi, is not a bad person. But Viren never is shown to support Sid for any decision, except in some fun moments.
I agree that Sid is not a bad person. But neither is Viren. Whatever we have been shown, Viren has been shown to be a nice guy.
And what decision did Sid ask Viren to support him. I feel ever since Viren has started helping out in the business, they have shown us nothing of what is happening. Except that Viren made mistakes and Sid keeps apologising for him.
So, nothing has happened where Sid asked Viren for support and Viren did not. Correct me if I am wrong please.
3. Viren lands up exactly at the final moment to save Nivedita, when Nivedita has no one to support her. This happened many times and everytime cannot be a coincidence or Viren cannot say that love has dragged him (as its more philosophical than practical).
here again, the first time after the wedding, I can't say much because it is a mystery.
The second time, he was walking out with Nivedita, he had no clue Dadaji would speak and they would get in. So, he would have walked away with her.
The third time, which is today could be a coincidence. or rather, as I like to believe, Viren responded to Nivi's call of distress. yes, romantic but still, my belief.
because when Sid decided not to go ahead with marrying Divya, it was Nivi who sought help from Viren and not Viren who initiated it.
4. Viren sort of pressurising Nivi to marry.
yes, this troubles me sometimes but the way I look at it is that Viren was in love with Nivedita and because he has grown up with insecurities, being away from the love of his family, security etc, he did not want to loose Nivedita, especially when while leaving the Sood house, she had agreed to marry him. She said all those dialogues "Ab yeh haath nahi chootega and Ab yeh saath nahi chootega" to Siddharth. Viren believed it at that time, okay he made himself believe beccause that is what he wanted but essentially Viren loves Nivedita. And he also knows Nivedita was willing to get married to some T, D or H in order that S marries D. So, why not him. When in his case, he loves her so much.
And because she had agreed, he did not want to loose that opportunity. He wanted to marry her and make her his life.
5. In all these stalking, the person that Nivi is shown to suspect is Sid.
Which just goes to show that Nivi also does not trust Sid.
6. When lawyer was reading the POA of dadasaheb, Viren gave a strange look.
I must see this again. I seem to remember he was unaffected. Anyway, I'll just look again.
and why would CC do all these or Viren? its solely for the property. Through Nivedita, they can get rid of Sid also. In one arrow, CC can shoot two birds.
I still do not see how CC is going to get rid of Siddharth by proving Nivi to be insane. You mean dadaji will disinherit Siddharth if it comes to light that Siddharth stalked Nivedita to this extent.
But why take her to the pagalkhana? or is that also staged by CC? To coincide with Viren's arrival.(Viren being unaware of all this plotting) So that Viren can be convinced in some way that Siddharth is trying to prove Nivedita insane. And then Viren takes some action against Siddharth (fully believing him to be the culprit) highlighting his obsessive nature???? With Siddharth out of the way, property comes to JW and CC????
It could be that Viren is obsessive and CC is playing with this emotion of Viren and making him do all these, and Viren is thinking Nivi will be his completely by this mean only.
No, then Viren would not have threatened his mother that he would take his own life if she did not accept Nivi as her bahu and treat her well. I cannot believe CC and Viren are in collusion.
there are lot of incidents, which might point to his involvement, but at the same time, he really has not done anything to harm Nivi, at least not shown. Unless we see something, we can only doubt.
I think that is only to keep us guessing. And really ever since his first meeting with Nivedita, he has never really done anything to harm her. On the contrary, he has always been there for her. Which is why I love NivRen. Which is why I am so restless trying to think what the Creatives might have up their sleeve.
One thing I can say with surity about Viren is he does not have much feeling for Siddharth.
S was the one who grew up with family and love and affection. V was kept away.
S is the favourite of his grandparents and his mom. V never gets shown any affection
S always gets preferential treatment, even S's wife gets preferential treatment in a total contrast with V and V's wife.
In fact, I believe that V was quite unhappy when YD was always giving D things and telling her to do poojas and sit in poojas and whatever and he then felt that N should also get good things. She should not be left out as he has been from the beginning.
So, sure, V is human, he might feel second best. And he might not be so emotional about S. But, I get the feeling that if S is in trouble, V will instinctively help him.
I also feel that S also does not have too much affection for V. And somehow, maybe whatever problems happened at work, I feel could have been resolved in the office by S and V instead of getting it home and in front of dadaji.
Anyway, thanks Bani, I feel better just writing all this out.
And do tell me one more thing please. What was the dialogue you found significant at the time of the pheras???? Something with a clue to what could happen?
P.S. About the stalking continuing during the HM, Bani, how do you predict these things???? That's why I wanted to ask you for your thoughts....
Edited by aashvee.raheja - 11 January 2011 at 5:54am