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Posted: 06 January 2011 at 5:19pm | IP Logged
Some people said that it's not their own safety they're worried about, but the safety of their family which they are not willing to risk unless like caro mentioned they're given some sort of protection. I don't think it's that easy though. If something happens to you then what would happen to your family and friends? Wouldn't your absence affect them too or is that not as important considering you'll be playing a part in putting a criminal behind bars?

@Sarina:My reaction was the same when I heard that there were over 300 witnesses and none of them came forward to testify but aren't we assuming that not all of them have families to worry about? I wouldn't under estimate the power of some of the politicians in India. In India it wouldn't be about dealing with all 300 people because half the people would've already decided that they do not wish to be associated with the case regardless of who's involved and regardless of whether the crime was murder, rape or even robbery. That's the attitude many people have towards such scenarios and it's sad to think that people have such a mentality but I think it'd be pretty hard to make such people testify. 

I'm glad that there are movies like New York, No One Killed Jessica, Halla Bol, Kaminey, Aamir etc to show the world what really goes on behind closed doors although obviously they're all part fiction too. The one thing that I didn't like is when film makers were visiting Taj and Oberoi a couple of days after the Mumbai blasts to look for ideas to make a new film. It's one thing to create awareness and it's another to be completely profit-oriented. It goes without saying that at the end of the day the purpose of making any film is to make a profit but I'd have thought people could at least be more considerate. 

The legal system in the UK is a lot better than the Indian legal system in the sense that there is less corruption and cases don't usually drag on for as long but there are certain areas-places that I like to call the slums of London where if there is a murder then the same thing that happened in Jessica's case would happen again. About 2 years ago a boy was stabbed to death in a park simply because he refused to hand over his mobile phone and no-one came forward until the last minute where the police managed to persuade a key witness to testify. Certain well-known gangs cause a lot of problems and it's not easy to ignore the possible consequences even if you are guaranteed protection.

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Posted: 06 January 2011 at 5:34pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by *Woh Ajnabee*

Dia,

I think the best part of the trailer is when that one witness says that he has a choice between a ton of money and a bullet. He doesn't want the money, but he also doesn't want the bullet. What's he to do? I think all of us here place our loved ones as our first priority - to imagine that any of our actions would put them in danger or harm them in any way is unbearable. Such politicians do take that very fear and convert it into power and thrive upon it, but at the end of the day, Jessica is dead. Sacrificing another loved one for her won't bring her back. As cold-hearted as that sounds, I am just being honest. I would love to fight for justice and to put such murderers behind bars, but the truth is that at a certain point you do have to stop and think about all of those around you that would be in danger because of your actions. What will you do if something happens to them? Expect others to demand the same justice for your loved one like you did for someone else's? Where does the cycle end then?

I am really excited for the movie, and I think it does raise a very valid point about our morality. But I also think that it shows us that the supposed indifference that many people hold in these situations is not a sign of cowardice or immorality, but a very fine example of how politicians do thrive upon fear found in the public. Its not that a lot of us don't have noble intentions and actually want to help others, but sometimes we do have to put the safety of our loved ones before anything else. If their safety wasn't at stake, I'd be the first one to testify against a brutal murderer like Jessica's.

This pretty much summed up all of my thoughts.
I totally agree that the bit where the guy says he doesn't want money but neither does he want a bullet is the best part of the trailer. Of course one of the main issues is about getting Jessica Lal justice but I think another problem is that if Manu Sharma wasn't put in jail and no-one testified then how would this affect future generations? We just assume that it won't be us or any of our loved ones that would be affected by helping a murderer be declared innocent. If today we let them be free then what's to say they won't commit the same crime again at a later stage in life?

The movie looks good and I like the way they've worked on Vidya's looks to make her look quite simple and innocent. Usually I like Rani but I think they could've taken someone else to play a reporter. Someone with a slightly stronger personality with a stern voice like Bipasha Basu maybe?
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Posted: 06 January 2011 at 5:43pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by hindu4lyf

This pretty much summed up all of my thoughts.
I totally agree that the bit where the guy says he doesn't want money but neither does he want a bullet is the best part of the trailer. Of course one of the main issues is about getting Jessica Lal justice but I think another problem is that if Manu Sharma wasn't put in jail and no-one testified then how would this affect future generations? We just assume that it won't be us or any of our loved ones that would be affected by helping a murderer be declared innocent. If today we let them be free then what's to say they won't commit the same crime again at a later stage in life?

The movie looks good and I like the way they've worked on Vidya's looks to make her look quite simple and innocent. Usually I like Rani but I think they could've taken someone else to play a reporter. Someone with a slightly stronger personality with a stern voice like Bipasha Basu maybe?


Absolutely, Dia - this never ending cycle will continue and it WILL affect future generations. The reason corruption has become so common on the subcontinent is because people have bowed down in fear in the past and are continuing to do so in the present. But at the same time, we can't blame them. When the safety of people who you love is at risk, rational thinking and the need to do what is right stops and fear takes over. That is, unfortunately of course, the case for most of us. Something needs to be done, but nobody wants to be the one doing it.

In this case, there were 300 witnesses - there is power in numbers whether we like it or not. They could've taken advantage of that. If all 300 came in and testified, it would have been much harder to kill 300 witnesses and get away with it then to threaten a few. But fear is what corruption thrives upon and until someone stands up and takes a stand (and sticks by it), its going to be a never ending cycle like it has been in the past.

I think Vidya looks great in her new look for the movie. And I am a huge Rani Mukherjee fan and I think she's a brilliant actress, so I think she'll do a fine job playing the reporter. Bipasha Basu may look the part, but she lacks the talent to pull of a strong role like this one (in my opinion). Only time will tell, I guess!

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Posted: 06 January 2011 at 5:45pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by hindu4lyf

@Sarina:My reaction was the same when I heard that there were over 300 witnesses and none of them came forward to testify but aren't we assuming that not all of them have families to worry about? I wouldn't under estimate the power of some of the politicians in India. In India it wouldn't be about dealing with all 300 people because half the people would've already decided that they do not wish to be associated with the case regardless of who's involved and regardless of whether the crime was murder, rape or even robbery. That's the attitude many people have towards such scenarios and it's sad to think that people have such a mentality but I think it'd be pretty hard to make such people testify.


My bigger problem is that this was not an ordinary gathering. It was a socialite party. Several people in attendance themselves were wealthy and influential. Some with families based abroad. The host and her family themselves were Canada based. I can understand the common man being fearful for family. But 300 socialites and not one with the ability to stand up?



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Dear Friends and Family,

Please pray for cell phone technology and may there be 3G coverage wherever I go. May the world jump to 4G, 5G, 6G coverage networks in leaps and bounds. Bless me with mad ninja phone skills like a Japanese school girl. May our batteries be always charged on full.

If I witness a heinous mob crime or something of that nature, and these prayers fail and my phone plans don't work, please forgive me. You may maimed, dismembered or even dead for I don't think I can live with the guilt of denying justice.

Feel free to disown me for your safety.



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Posted: 06 January 2011 at 8:05pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by hindu4lyf



My question is that how many of us if put in the same position would have testified? If you were there that night in the club and saw exactly what happened and witnessed the murder of Jessica Lal, then would you step up and go out of your way to put her murderer behind bars? Or would you worry about yourself, your wife/husband, kids, parents, family, friends etc and what harm might be done to them if you testify against a politician's son? Would you worry about the consequences or would you want justice to be served? God forbid any of us were put in such a situation where we were the victim's family then I know we'd want people to speak up and come forward and we'd do anything to put the wrongdoer behind bars but what would you do if you were one of the witnesses in this case, or for that matter a similar scenario where a murderer or rapist may be involved?
Why is it that I always come in late on a very interesting discussion?LOL

It is a very perplexing situation to be in, TBH. This has really gotten me to think. My conscience and my logic will be in a tug of war. One will make me feel guilty if I keep quiet because of the guilty person going unpunished, and that too for murdering an innocent over such a petty issue, 'just because he lost his cool'. On the other hand, I would be worried about losing a loved one, someone who has been with me through thick and thin and offered their emotional/mental support, I wouldn't want them to die, especially when it isn't their time to die. Also, the influential family would also provide some financial support(obviously in the form of bribes), so I have to think about that too. So I would ultimately it would boil down to a question of morality. Now I'm gonna say 'yes, I would testify for Jessica', but who knows, I might be a different person some 20 years ago, when I have a family and kids, when my parents are older and need someone to look after them. What if I testify and then they kill me? How will my parents feel then? They will obviously be proud, but will have a greater amount of remorse, as I'm their only son. Anyways, what i would do is maybe talk to the lawyers for the defendant or the ACP/DCP and request for police protection if I testify and if possible, request for a private hearing.

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Dia,

Apparently the movie was fantastic and both Rani Mukherjee and Vidya Balan were fabulous!

Taran Adarsh's review below:


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By Taran Adarsh, January 5, 2011 - 08:36 IST


Most storytellers entertain, a few enlighten. A scattering number of celluloid visionaries entertain as well as enlighten. Rajkumar Gupta fits into that exceptional variety of film-makers that opens up thought-processes about the condition of the homeland without losing the cinematic elements that constitute a film.

To reconstruct on celluloid a true occurrence that is oven fresh in public reminiscence is not a trouble-free mission, but Gupta takes up this colossal challenge of placing together the controversial and litigious story of Jessica Lall's murder case on celluloid. However, having sensitive and explosive material on hand is not enough. The execution of the subject is of paramount importance. Fortunately, the one-film-old director interprets the events of the murder case in remarkable style and form and makes it a cinematic experience that haunts you even after the film has concluded. Gupta does complete justice to the spirit of the story, which had created headlines and still remains well etched in our memory to this day.

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A few monsoons ago, Rajkumar Santoshi's HALLA BOL commenced with a shootout sequence at a party. Of course, HALLA BOL wasn't about this incident alone, it was just a tiny segment in the narrative. NO ONE KILLED JESSICA focuses on this true-life incident [with no deviations] and its strength lies in the fact that it sucks you into the world of dirty politics and power games as soon as it unfolds.


NO ONE KILLED JESSICA is not Gupta's first and foremost endeavor at illustrating a real incident that shook the nation. Even in his directorial debut AAMIR, Gupta depicted a common man's [Rajeev Khandelwal] hard try at combating terrorism and violence. However, that was a work of fiction. But NO ONE KILLED JESSICA is a different ballgame altogether because reams of paper and hours of television footage have been devoted to this case. Thankfully, Gupta makes it an engaging thriller rather than relying on the docu-drama format.

NO ONE KILLED JESSICA belongs to the unique hard-hitting, gut-wrenching genre of cinema. Script-wise, the director has tried to remain faithful to the episode that occurred during that fateful night and also what transpired subsequently, but besides depicting reality on celluloid, he adds the thrill element to the plotline, which makes it very viewer-friendly. The events have been chronologically put forth and the daring story of two women who challenged the system hits you like a ton of bricks. The film truly celebrates the human spirit and also reflects a vital change in the society and in the attitudes of people.

Final word? This gutsy film deserves a standing ovation!

New Delhi, 1999. The guns at Kargil are still blazing when another one goes off, this time in the nation's capital. Jessica [Myra], a young attractive model, trying her hand at bartending, is shot dead at a celebrity party. Her crime - refusing to serve a drink after closing hours. The culprit Manish [Mohammed Zeeshan Ayub], son of a prominent politician, inebriated by a deadly cocktail of alcohol and a sense of entitlement, pulls the trigger in a fit of rage.

With 300 of Delhi's swish set present at the party, many of whom are witnesses to the murder, Manish looks all set to go to the gallows. Except that it doesn't quite turn out that way. But two women, Jessica's sister Sabrina [Vidya Balan] and the feisty TV reporter Meera [Rani Mukerji], decide to outwit Manish and his politician-father [Shireesh Sharma] at their game. Over the course of seven years, the case goes through several stages of legal complications. Witnesses turn hostile one after another and the few who don't, became inconsistent with their versions.

Manish is acquitted, leading to a fierce public uproar and a relentless campaign by the media, which eventually leads to a life sentence for Manish.

A film like NO ONE KILLED JESSICA pricks your conscience and makes you think. In fact, it's the kind of film that will lead to debates and discussions. What was more appalling - the model's slaying or the slapdash method in which the suspected assassins were brought to justice? What's even more scandalous is that almost immediately after the killing, the police identified the slaughterer and it seemed like an open-and-shut case. But it wasn't.

Gupta deserves kudos for choosing a thorny and contentious story to interpret on celluloid, but he deserves a few extra brownie points for handling the material with aplomb. His prowess and competence is visible all through the film, but more specifically in the electrifying courtroom sequences and also when Rani decides to take up this issue. The candle light protest at India Gate in particular is simply overwhelming.

Since it is based on a real story that occurred in Delhi, Gupta has shot the entire film in the city. The characters are real and so are the locations and that's what makes the goings-on very identifiable, besides bestowing an authentic feel to the film. Like his earlier film AAMIR, NO ONE KILLED JESSICA has been shot in guerrilla style and that makes the viewer feel that he's actually watching the drama unfold in front of his eyes, that he's a spectator in the proceedings. Gupta also ensures that the two pivotal parts remain true to their respective characters.

Any shortcoming? Yes, if Gupta would've trimmed the film by at least 10 minutes, the impact would've been much stronger.

A hard-hitting drama, generally, doesn't have scope for music. But Amit Trivedi joins hands with Amitabh Bhattacharya, the wordsmith with whom he delivered the fabulous soundtrack of DEV D, and together they deliver a solid soundtrack. 'Dilli Dilli' has already won hearts of audiences and the remaining songs too leave an impact. Anay Goswami's cinematography is first-rate. Dialogue, also penned by Gupta, are realistic to the core.

Gupta may be young and relatively new to the fray, but that does not deter him from getting the best and most appropriate cast for his second outing and I am sure, it's only thanks to a potent and persuasive script. Vidya has been basking in the glory of films like PAA and ISHQIYA lately, which gave her ample opportunity to prove her dexterity. She gets a wonderful opportunity to prove her prowess yet again. Vidya plays the iconic Sabrina Lall brilliantly, reliving some very stressful and arduous chapters of Sabrina's life. Balan is poignant yet controlled and projects an imposing figure of maturity, refinement and veracity. This film completes a hat-trick of her commendable performances.

In the role of a spirited and audacious journo, Rani, who smokes non-stop, flings swear words every now and then and who rebuffs being a voiceless spectator when the culprits go scot-free, is simply exceptional. She sinks her teeth into the character, giving it the much required pragmatism that it necessitates. Her performance is bound to be talked-about in days to come. In fact, it would be unfair if I do not acknowledge the fact that she appears very much at ease mouthing abusive words and lurid language.

Neil Bhoopalam, the key witness, is fantastic. Especially in the sequence when he comes for an audition of a film role and blurts out the truth unsuspectingly. Mohammed Zeeshan Ayub, the main accused, is very good. Myra, as Jessica, is natural. Rajesh Sharma, the investigating police officer, is excellent. Satyadeep Misra, as Rani's boss, gives a fine account of himself. Shireesh Sharma, the politician-father, is perfect.

On the whole, NO ONE KILLED JESSICA is a poignant story of two women's resolve for justice. It's a remarkable blend of facts and fiction inspired by a series of real-life episodes, which has thankfully not been presented as a tedious biography or in a mind-numbing docu-drama format. It's more of an engaging thriller which has the right doses of histrionics, tautness, anguish and thrills. The emotional and disturbing journey, the strength of the common man and the relentless endeavor of the media have all been most compellingly put together on moving picture. In times of yore, a lot of films have been attempted on real-life incidents, but haven't struck a chord so effectively. NO ONE KILLED JESSICA should shatter this jinx. This heroic and daring film truly deserves a prolonged applause.


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Posted: 06 January 2011 at 8:18pm | IP Logged
Coming to the movie, I'm pretty sure Rani will mess it upTongueLOL

This reminds me a episodic series of Siddhanth, it was based on the Jessica Lall murder case, and it was brilliant! If any of you get time, please do watch the show online.

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