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Posted: 04 January 2011 at 10:40pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Believe

Originally posted by Summer3

 
In Philippines they often use the name Jesus for themselves
eg Jesus Rodriguez Jr., or Alfonso Rey Jesus
 
But this would not be acceptable to the Christians in most places and labelled as blasphamey.
 
Aree bhai...ye India main start kiya dhaaa....You can find names like 'Krishna', 'Ganpati','Shiva' etc etc....and even Muslims using the name 'Mohammed' tooBig smile
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Posted: 04 January 2011 at 10:42pm | IP Logged
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Muslims always say Inshallah or Marsallah which is accepted.
But Muslims never name their children Allah , as far as I know.


That is because Allah is God. Moses, Mohammad and other prophets are not equated to God so the commandment dilemma does not occur. God/Jesus/Holy Ghost on the other hand is the subject of many schisms over perceptions of the Trinity. Hence some people find Jesus acceptable as a name and others find it shocking.

Originally posted by Summer3

Some Christians here in East Asia frown upon those using  the expression "Oh God" or "My God"
I guess they are not so particular in western countries.


It completely depends on denomination. Baptists and Evangelicals will take serious offense to it. I know people who feel it wrong to even say 'darn'.
Yep some are so strict and normally I avoid them.
They make a mountain out of a mole hill but then who wants to argue with an old grandmother.
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Posted: 04 January 2011 at 10:45pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

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I thought the book implies that Jesus was having an affair with Mary Magdelene, all along he has been depicted as being single.

The book implies that Jesus may have borne children with Mary Magdalene. It does not imply it as an affair or illicit relationship, but a proper respectable relationship.

Also the Bible depicts him as single, because the gospels in the Bible depict him as single. There were literally hundreds of Gospels written about Jesus of Nazareth. Many of them alluded to Mary Magdalene being a wife or a companion. The council of Nicaea chose which gospels would make the Bible and burned several others. It is only through archaeological discovery that counter canonical gospels were found.


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Posted: 04 January 2011 at 10:51pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

"Do not take the Lord's name in vain" is one of the ten commandments.---<-in Old Testament ? There is also the association of Jesus with the holy Trinity. Thus most Christian denominations thusly are uncomfortable naming their kids Jesus, and frown upon it. Latin Catholicism however views the usage of Jesus as a name differently.
As per my knowledge,lots of christains using Biblical names..Jesus was a Jew and that was his Hebrew name ..and people using jesus ,spanish,latin n other names.
 
Hinduism has no such prohibition thats why we see not just people named after Gods but people saying "Hey Ram!" etc which would fall under taking the Lord's name in vain. Mohammad is a prophet and not God,--Prophets are not gods,Me 2 thinking same...but there are millions of people worshiping these prophets in this world.... nor is he part of any Trinity like divine vs human debate. Hence, Muslims have no problems naming their children after the prophet.

However, due to the subcontinental influence you will see even people of Abrahamic faith break commandment by saying things like "ya Allah" "Oh Jesus!" etc. I'm not sure how Muslims view the commandments though.
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Posted: 04 January 2011 at 10:57pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

Originally posted by Believe

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In Philippines they often use the name Jesus for themselves
eg Jesus Rodriguez Jr., or Alfonso Rey Jesus
 
But this would not be acceptable to the Christians in most places and labelled as blasphamey.
 
Aree bhai...ye India main start kiya dhaaa....You can find names like 'Krishna', 'Ganpati','Shiva' etc etc....and even Muslims using the name 'Mohammed' tooBig smile
Maharaj ji, in India sab naam chalega.LOL
 
Yaaa...We can put any God's or prophet name....Cos the name nothing do with any god or pht., god is alive when you are alive.... If you are not alive, how can your God be alive? ...ur God is urs.... If you are dead, your God is dead... if you are alive, ur God is alive....ur God cannot be more than you, becos your God is your innermost core of being..Smile
 
 


Edited by Believe - 04 January 2011 at 10:57pm
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Posted: 04 January 2011 at 11:08pm | IP Logged
Yes the Ten Commandments are part of the original Pentateuch, the Old Testament.

The Hebrew name for Jesus is Yeshua. Jesus is the anglicized version. Latin pronunciation says the J as H.

Most Christian names are Biblical names. There are over 2000 Biblical names based on names given in the Bible. Biblical names are not always holy, but often referent to Biblical characters. They are not equated to God either.

Hebrew names are based on the ancient Hebrew language. My name is Hebrew. The name Sarah is the anglicized Biblical derivative.

Many Judeo-Christian names also transfer to Arabic/Islamic

Joseph - Yusuf
Job - Ayub
Ishmael - Ismail




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Posted: 04 January 2011 at 11:26pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by Summer3

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I thought the book implies that Jesus was having an affair with Mary Magdelene, all along he has been depicted as being single.

The book implies that Jesus may have borne children with Mary Magdalene. It does not imply it as an affair or illicit relationship, but a proper respectable relationship.

Also the Bible depicts him as single, because the gospels in the Bible depict him as single. There were literally hundreds of Gospels written about Jesus of Nazareth. Many of them alluded to Mary Magdalene being a wife or a companion. The council of Nicaea chose which gospels would make the Bible and burned several others. It is only through archaeological discovery that counter canonical gospels were found.


Well quite true about the Bible and it is said that certain sections have been torn off. There are some very old bibles in minature form too, which covers points about other religions.
Personally I do not think it matters whether Jesus was married or not, but I guess certain Churches view it differently.
 
I cam across an interesting article about Mary Magdalene that suggests she was not a low women but a very intelligent disciple
 
Mary Magdalene, Sketch by Da Vinci
 
 
 
"Mary Magdalene is mentioned in the lists of Jesus' female companions that appear in Mark, Matthew, and Luke. Some believe that Mary Magdalene may have been an important figure among the female disciples, perhaps even their leader and a member of Jesus' inner circle of disciples — but not, apparently, to the degree of the 12 apostles. There is no textual evidence to allow for any definitive conclusions, though."
 
"Mary Magdalene's role in the canonical gospels is small; in noncanonical gospels like Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip and the Acts of Peter, she plays a prominent role — often asking intelligent questions when all the other disciples are confused. Jesus is depicted as loving her more than any of the others because of her understanding. Some readers have interpreted Jesus "love" here as physical, not just spiritual, and hence that Jeusa and Mary Magdalene were intimate — if not married."
 
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Posted: 05 January 2011 at 8:34am | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades


I think there is a fine line between blatant disrespect towards a belief and having a questioning outlook towards certain beliefs. The problem that occurs is when a group of people determine based on their genuine beliefs that other people should be excluded from worship or are below religious standards. While turning up at a place of religious worship in a bikini is scandalous to one extreme - many religious groups are guilty of being judgmental to the extreme. There is a serious problem in faith when someone who is not necessarily disrespectful, but has a minor difference of perception has to feel excluded from faith or that their faith is not good enough. Irrational stringency in faith and these faith based dress codes is what pushes many youth or skeptics away from faith and some into the other extreme form of rebellion.
 
"I think there is a fine line between blatant disrespect towards a belief and having a questioning outlook towards certain beliefs."
 
I would present the dichotomy differently: religion versus tradition, where modesty is the principle preached by religion and ethnic or formal clothing is the traditional practice.
 
A religious environment rightly requires decency and other marks of respect (such as going barefoot or covering the head) from visitors. But to extend that to demand formal, traditional or ethnic clothing is superfluous. Adhering to Hindu religious requirements is not the same as adopting Indian culture and outfits. As Dia's experience tells us, her mandir has no problem with her dressing in skinny jeans and a top when she's rushing back from uni - what matters is that she is decently dressed, not Indianly dressed.
 
As you say, it is problematic when religious people get more involved in the cultural trappings of their religion and shun those who have genuine beliefs but do not dress, eat or speak in the "appropriate" way. The Epikos Church is doing a good job by highlighting this contrast between religion and culture. Jesus, if he was alive today, would not need to dress like a monk to lead a virtuous and decent life. He'd be fine in jeans.
 
Sikhism and Islam, however, seem to have a dress code as part of their religious -not cultural- requirements. My knowledge of these religions is very limited but if the fact is that Sikhs are supposed to leave their hair uncut and if Islam requires women to cover all but their face in public, then those requirements are just as much part of the religion as any other preaching. In that case the religion should not relax its rules just to avoid driving people away from faith. The religious community should be honest about its dress code and justify it as well as it can.
 
 


Edited by xobile - 05 January 2011 at 8:50am

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