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Posted: 17 December 2010 at 1:27pm | IP Logged

In all serials there is a protagonist and an antagonist, however, whenever the lead protagonist is a woman, she is constantly oppressed or suppressed by either circumstances or men.

Like in case of other serials, the woman is constantly having economical problems coupled with family and health.

Or it is the men who are bad

When I say this what I mean to say is that all the men in the protagonists life either -

1. Oppress /suppress the woman
2. Do not care for the feelings at all
3. Are having affairs outside / or there is a second woman definitely involved
4. And above all the men are completely negative

Like in case of Maryada, the women are pretty decently placed economically except I guess Uttara but in her case it's shown because he is good for nothing.

Hence, to portray the trials and tribulations of a woman the men in that woman life or connected are negative.

E.g. SSP - womaniser, rapist, bad cop (not sure of that completely as at least the character portray he is a nice cop as of now. But don't know the truth)

Uttara's husband - Good for nothing, ready to make his wife sleep with someone else for money, etc.

As of now they have shown Gaurav decent but is having an affair.

Aditya is the hero so is all nice having background score of Ishq hai Ishq hai

I wonder why to bring out the woman's strength of character, persona, existence they have to show men negative and not with just grey shades.

Just a thought ................ would like to know everyone's views on this



Edited by DJ.. - 17 December 2010 at 1:30pm

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Posted: 17 December 2010 at 1:57pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by DJ..

In all serials there is a protagonist and an antagonist, however, whenever the lead protagonist is a woman, she is constantly oppressed or suppressed by either circumstances or men. exactly, we don't have a show where a woman is shown to have her side of weakness or short comings which she has to over comes!! they are always right and just, if they are not then they have to be a vamp! - complete -ve characterSleepy

Like in case of other serials, the woman is constantly having economical problems coupled with family and health.

Or it is the men who are bad

When I say this what I mean to say is that all the men in the protagonists life either -

1. Oppress /suppress the woman
2. Do not care for the feelings at all
3. Are having affairs outside / or there is a second woman definitely involved
4. And above all the men are completely negative

Like in case of Maryada, the women are pretty decently placed economically except I guess Uttara but in her case it's shown because he is good for nothing.

Hence, to portray the trials and tribulations of a woman the men in that woman life or connected are negative. Yeap all men are shown to have crossed their Maryada! (Adi always tries to get too close to Priya)

E.g. SSP - womaniser, rapist, bad cop (not sure of that completely as at least the character portray he is a nice cop as of now. But don't know the truth) i wish they just made him a grey character than a real bad person. I wish there is something +ve / good about him.Ouch

Uttara's husband - Good for nothing, ready to make his wife sleep with someone else for money, etc. He is even a lazy person who doen't want to work hard in life. He had a job, he never bothered going on time was busy drinking alcohol and now wants a loan but has no plans for a business. There are many lazy men in the society who live on their wife's earnings. But uttara is not working as of now!

As of now they have shown Gaurav decent but is having an affair. It's still not clear who that person is!! He is shown to be a very sensitive person but Vidya needs a husband not a friend in the end of the day!

Aditya is the hero so is all nice having background score of Ishq hai Ishq hai lolz that's rightly said!LOLLOL I have found him as a more dominating person, who wants things to be done his way.

I wonder why to bring out the woman's strength of character, persona, existence they have to show men negative and not with just grey shades. I think the reason is how serials have being made so far, no1 wants to think outside the box!!  Majority of the audience prefers these kind of shows where the lead protagonists are fighting for theirs rights, freedom and dignity.

Just a thought ................ would like to know everyone's views on this



Edited by Kai_Hiwatari - 17 December 2010 at 1:58pm

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Posted: 17 December 2010 at 2:26pm | IP Logged
Good point!
But art imitates life?

These exact things might be happening in someone's life, who knows?

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Posted: 17 December 2010 at 2:29pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by DJ..

In all serials there is a protagonist and an antagonist, however, whenever the lead protagonist is a woman, she is constantly oppressed or suppressed by either circumstances or men.

Like in case of other serials, the woman is constantly having economical problems coupled with family and health.

Or it is the men who are bad

When I say this what I mean to say is that all the men in the protagonists life either -

1. Oppress /suppress the woman
2. Do not care for the feelings at all
3. Are having affairs outside / or there is a second woman definitely involved
4. And above all the men are completely negative

Like in case of Maryada, the women are pretty decently placed economically except I guess Uttara but in her case it's shown because he is good for nothing.

Hence, to portray the trials and tribulations of a woman the men in that woman life or connected are negative.

E.g. SSP - womaniser, rapist, bad cop (not sure of that completely as at least the character portray he is a nice cop as of now. But don't know the truth)

Uttara's husband - Good for nothing, ready to make his wife sleep with someone else for money, etc.

As of now they have shown Gaurav decent but is having an affair.

Aditya is the hero so is all nice having background score of Ishq hai Ishq hai

I wonder why to bring out the woman's strength of character, persona, existence they have to show men negative and not with just grey shades.

Just a thought ................ would like to know everyone's views on this



DJ. Exactly..
This is the point I was trying to make long back in a post call 

SSP's characterization

There are lot of issues arising out of plan every  day life hassels because of grey nature in the characters. We can make a really interesting and realistic storis by  discussing those kind of things. But as you righlty put, people only think within the box.  The bottom point "the miseries of majority of woman are not caused by perfect black characters , but by more intricate, complex and deep routed, deep aged beliefs combined with modern situations."  I was initially expecting a lot from this serial, have not lost all the hope but  am little apprehensive today.

However I do have some difference of opinions about the characters and will come back to you.


Edited by kvva - 17 December 2010 at 2:29pm

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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 1:03am | IP Logged
Originally posted by kvva

Originally posted by DJ..

In all serials there is a protagonist and an antagonist, however, whenever the lead protagonist is a woman, she is constantly oppressed or suppressed by either circumstances or men.

Like in case of other serials, the woman is constantly having economical problems coupled with family and health.

Or it is the men who are bad

When I say this what I mean to say is that all the men in the protagonists life either -

1. Oppress /suppress the woman
2. Do not care for the feelings at all
3. Are having affairs outside / or there is a second woman definitely involved
4. And above all the men are completely negative

Like in case of Maryada, the women are pretty decently placed economically except I guess Uttara but in her case it's shown because he is good for nothing.

Hence, to portray the trials and tribulations of a woman the men in that woman life or connected are negative.

E.g. SSP - womaniser, rapist, bad cop (not sure of that completely as at least the character portray he is a nice cop as of now. But don't know the truth)

Uttara's husband - Good for nothing, ready to make his wife sleep with someone else for money, etc.

As of now they have shown Gaurav decent but is having an affair.

Aditya is the hero so is all nice having background score of Ishq hai Ishq hai

I wonder why to bring out the woman's strength of character, persona, existence they have to show men negative and not with just grey shades.

Just a thought ................ would like to know everyone's views on this



DJ. Exactly..
This is the point I was trying to make long back in a post call 

SSP's characterization

There are lot of issues arising out of plan every  day life hassels because of grey nature in the characters. We can make a really interesting and realistic storis by  discussing those kind of things. But as you righlty put, people only think within the box.  The bottom point "the miseries of majority of woman are not caused by perfect black characters , but by more intricate, complex and deep routed, deep aged beliefs combined with modern situations."  I was initially expecting a lot from this serial, have not lost all the hope but  am little apprehensive today.

However I do have some difference of opinions about the characters and will come back to you.


Hi Kvva

Good to see you on my post I am honored

I wanted to make a reference and give a link to your post on SSP's characterization but did not if you would be online hence did not PM you and posted my post

I agree to what you are saying ..........This is one of the reasons I got hooked to DMG as I felt the characters then were realistic until certain turn of events LOL Seriously speaking how Sid or Riddhima was and their actions reactions were very natural and realistic And these actually make situations issues and they make tricky issues which are difficult to be dealt with,

What I see in Maryada is a clear cut road of tussle between good and bad

My reason for making this post is that really is it required to show men all bad and negative In fact with grey shade this story would have become more interesting, intriguing and dark

For e.g. if SSP has one weakness that is women but in fact is a good cop then Aditya's tussle as to whom he should side would have been greater and more interesting to know his reactions

During war or touch situations many a times it is seen that men of honor (army men or police) do cross their limits but that is a moment of weakness to vent their frustration

Like in the movie Tango Charlie, the commando force is in the militant area and during a combat one the person captures a lady militant and is almost going to physically abuse her when Bobby Deol kills him as does not stop when asked by him.

Now this man was doing is duty well otherwise and that moment when he tried to physically abuse the lady was a way of him releasing his frustration that due to such militant all are having problems He gave his reasoning is that if you being a lady are indulging in such nonsense then I can also cross limits You don't see sense then I don't see sense.

I am not justifying the act but this is a grey shade temporary moment of weakness and loss of good judgment

I wait to hear more on this post from you which you are going to back to me with Smile eagerly waiting Smile

Just as you I had lots of hopes from this serial and like you I have not lost all of it

Infact I made a post it also

here is the like Maryada - loosing it's grip

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564131


Edited by DJ.. - 18 December 2010 at 1:20am

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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 5:32am | IP Logged
Hi DJ,
 
Awesome points u have made, Even i wonder the same.
 
In Marydha, All the male protoganists r somewhat made so negative or i can say with grey shades.
 
Even Aditya i have problems, If he had read the letter and then accepted Priya whole heartedly, then i could see him different, but as far as the scenes and they way they show Adiya love i feel Aditya actions speak a little Male chavanism, Though many may not agree but for me, Whatever relationships, if it is build on Lie will never last longer..............Thats what i feel for Aditya
 
And esp all the portrayal of men in Maryadha r crossing the Maryadha....LOL

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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 1:58pm | IP Logged
Thanks DJ.

  Actually there are many things that I would like to say here.


Sid Ridhima : I would say this is more unrealistic story. Why I like it then ? Because Sid is a really dreamy character. It is a dream which I would like to see as a truth some day.  Ridhima is very weak character (even before the tent scene). I catagorize her so from mid January itself. A person who could not survive on her own  and always needed somebody else to make decisions for her.  But yes, it might be a more realistic character as one can find many woman like that, educated can stand on their own legs, still don't have bone many a times. Sid, 1) a person who can go to any lengths for the sake of another person just based on humanitarian grounds   2) a person who can give any amount of freedom to his wife, so that she can make her own decision. These kind of persons are more of a rarity and I would just say they are beutiful dreams.  I liked that story only because, I like the woman to be respected even in spite of their weaknesses and I would like them to have all the freedom like how or even say better than what a man can have.  Apart from that, there were many inconsistencies in the story, character construction or relatoinships.

Maryada : It is definitely a far better story. There are many many intersting angles in this story. Every character is designed with quite some care and every relation is designed with quite some care. Even a less important relation like imli-vidya, in my opinion is designed quite nicely. Lot of natural human reactions are captured in this story.  Be it Pradan family and their interactions, Gaurav-SSP-Devyani-Aditya or be it Vidya-Gaurav  or be it Dadaji-Devyani or Dadaji-Vidya or any pair of relations are quite nicely designed.    But my main complaint is why always  take extreme problem as case studies. Why not deal with more common,  more simple issues  yet more intriguing issues.  By extreme problems, I meant the problems faced by few person but really grave in magnitude.  They are many things that I can talk about. But I will try to write about the most important relations in this serial

Gaurav - Vidya : Quite interesting.  Gaurav, a  smooth and sensitive person more of a person artsitic  nature, who since childhood being trying to make some space in his father's heart, whose father's expectations are totally contrasting to the person he really is, is forced into a relation with  a very innocent, naive Vidya.  But please note Vidya is not all that dumb, she realized Gaurav has issues with his father, even before he mentioned it.  The struggle that is going from his childhood or his artistic nature I feel could have been the reason for his other relationship.  I can understand that his other relationship could be opposed by his parents more so by his father. His relation with his mother and distance from his father, his father's excess happiness with his other son everything looks interesting, infact quite interesting for me.  One can see these kind of issues in many families. Parents except something, but children are something else.

But the biggest question that I have is ? A sensible person like Gaurav, how can he jeoparadize another person (Vidya)'s life ? When he does that, how come he does not fee any guilt towards it ? I am not able to understand this. I hope writers solve this issue for me in the future.

Devyani - SSP : I would say this a very realistic relationship in quite some families. Yes it is not a very common problem, but many families have this kind of relationship to some degree or other.  I would say, Devyani is strong and is able to withstand this pressure. May be I dont agree with her ways, no never. I would definitely prefer the woman to spit on such person and walk out of his life holding her head high.  But I can never stop myself from appreciating her courage, patience  to deal with this situation over those many years.  She is not a weak person, only thing is her methods are really old and outdated.
 
My biggest issues here is ?   SSP is a complete black character. I was initially quite dissappointed with it.  But later I realized that, he is an SSP. This a position which can corrupt the person completely.  I realized that there can be many such persons in such professions. These are really powerful positions which can corrupt an already inclined person to a complete extent.  But as I said earlier, I feel this problem can be realistic but is a more rare problem.

Devyani-Dadaji :  I think this is a very interesting relationship.  Till now, I don't have any complaints against it.  I just loved the last interaction, which started with Dadaji worried about Devyani with the entry of new bahu, disccusing his worries with his bahu and finally him settling with the feeling that the new bahu will do good to his Devyani.  I mean I just love most of their scenes. They are very realistic and very interesting to see.


Uttara - Rishab :  Anothe interesting relation. Which started and continued the initial days without much of problems, later Rishab's accident put him in a back seat and thereby their relation also a back seat. Now the biggest problem for this relation is his physical handicapness, his loss of grip on his life because of his accident and added by Uttara's beauty. Jaya, has written very nicely about Abusive behaviour.  Uttara is a woman who wants to revolt still not there .  However her patience is finished she revolts and then Rishab's realization. Things seem to go quite interestingly.

My biggest problem here is : I just hate the new issue brought into their life. Again they are taking help of very rare issues to move forward thier story.  I am feeling somewhere the character consistency is slipping away. I hope they get back their grip ..


Adi-Priya :   This relation just started. Aditya is an immature guy. No doubt in it. But a good and daring man.  Fallen in love with Priya without much of a reason or effort and is persuading her. She was once a strong person, met with some really unfortunate circumstances, which have temporarly taken away all her strength. Now is slowly coming back to life. Here I just would like to bring Ridhima ? Do you really think Ridhima faced much gravier situations than Priya. In my opinion no? But see Priya, just with the help of two three conversations from Adi, she is able to fight back.  That is why Ridhima also looks unreallistically weak for me.  Interesting thing wil be to watch how an Immature and impulsive Aditya emerge through the situation of Priya her past and her past's the relation to his father.  Remember here, Adi worships his dad and is completely unaware of his dark side.

My biggest problem here ? Though Priya's is again a rare situaion, but the story is mainly based on this. I mean any story is born only when some rare things happen.  But the complaint I have in Maryada is all the stories are extreme. So, I have less problems with Priya's story.  But they are dramatizing it quite a lot. It is my opinion.  It is little difficult for me to watch unncessary and forced romantic scenes in the otherwise  smooth flowing story. Here, I don't think Adi is a black character. In his age, many will be immature and it is how they emerge out of the tough situations, actually makes them.


In all I feel all the remaining 3 men  are grey in nature. Only SSP is a complete black character.  Yes there will be natural varations in the characters depening upon the situations. For example, when SSP's truth is infront of Aditya, I definitely expect him to react strongly, initially. It is more natural for him to do that. It will be only with time that he will be able to digest, accept the fact that his father can also be corrupt.


There are many more intersting things. But probably some other time. Hope I did not bore you with my long essay.

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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 9:08pm | IP Logged
great post DJ.

I dont have much to say except that I wonder the same.

I also loved reading all the responses.

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