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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 7:15am | IP Logged
We need to understand one thing. Market is one thing and sustainability is another. Today's music is in general nothing new and "innovative" for an end listener to gasp it and remember for a long term. Music is commercialised and most of it is just to lure audiences into theatres and try to make the film a hit. If the film flops badly, everything including the songs are forgotten and this stands true for even the most recent films that have flopped but some songs were hummable. But for those who really appreciate what music really is, they know how well old songs and traditional indian classique and ghazal are soothing to the ears. But sadly, giving melody is a big question mark and most of today's music has heavy acoustical bass and meaningless lyrics, as said earlier, only short term hits. Most of the musical shows will still show contestents singing those old songs to strengthen their classical base because these are really tough to sing. Today's so called item songs are just...mere songs which do not require any kind of sur or tempo, just shout and scream and make people dance. But again-one comes, other goes and people do not remember who sang, rather they may remember who danced to it.

Sorry to say, today's music has become worse than ever. traditional Indian music has to come back.

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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 7:49am | IP Logged
It's good to hear someone speak up about it.

I won't deny that the song is annoyingly catchy but there's no real musical talent. Real music is like the songs from Pardes, DDLJ, DTPH etc.

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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 7:50am | IP Logged
It's illogical to mix the issues of commercialisation and quality.

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Originally posted by hindu4lyf

It's good to hear someone speak up about it.

I won't deny that the song is annoyingly catchy but there's no real musical talent. Real music is like the songs from Pardes, DDLJ, DTPH etc.
 
Tongue arey haila tum yaha.............Swagat hein..........Tongue As far as music goes, it comes down to preference.......Here in the states people malign rap/hip-hop as being ghetto and not real music and yet others think Rock/roll is not real music but just noise..........People who don't like heavy metal say that's just noise and not music.........who's to say who's right and who's wrong? Jagjit's gazals weren't a big hit with everyone, many people think gazals are nothing but glorified whining........Are they wrong? who says they are wrong? Are they not allowed to have their preferences? Tongue  I love gazals, but I love munni badnaam hui songs as well.........I don't understand why there has to be a choice........why can't there be all different kinds of music and people can listen to what they want.........why should any kind of music be banned or not allowed to be made? Tongue 


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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 9:12am | IP Logged
Originally posted by ankit_nyc

Originally posted by hindu4lyf

It's good to hear someone speak up about it.

I won't deny that the song is annoyingly catchy but there's no real musical talent. Real music is like the songs from Pardes, DDLJ, DTPH etc.
 
Tongue arey haila tum yaha.............Swagat hein..........Tongue As far as music goes, it comes down to preference.......Here in the states people malign rap/hip-hop as being ghetto and not real music and yet others think Rock/roll is not real music but just noise..........People who don't like heavy metal say that's just noise and not music.........who's to say who's right and who's wrong? Jagjit's gazals weren't a big hit with everyone, many people think gazals are nothing but glorified whining........Are they wrong? who says they are wrong? Are they not allowed to have their preferences? Tongue 

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No doubt everyone's choice is different when it comes to music but I don't think it takes much musical talent to sing a song like Sheila Ki Jawani in comparison to a classic like 'Nahin Hona Tha' from Pardes. That's just my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. A song like Sheila Ki Jawani will be forgotten in a couple of months whereas Nahin Hona Tha is a classic that won't be forgotten so easily. Chaiya Chaiya was also considered to be an 'item number' by Malaika Arora yet the song is so much better in every aspect compared to SKJ. 

Oh and i've always thought rock music is noise. It hurts my ears. Hip-hop any day! I don't deny that there are very few songs in hip-hop that actually have good lyrics. Rap on the other hand has some great songs, and tend to be more meaningful. Just take a listen to 'Where is the love?' by Black Eyed Peas and you'll know what I mean.

How have you been Ankit? Will you be watching DID doubles?

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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 9:17am | IP Logged
He is so arrogant...never liked him as a singer...loved Pankaj U and every  other ghazal singer!


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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 9:19am | IP Logged
Originally posted by hindu4lyf

Originally posted by ankit_nyc

Originally posted by hindu4lyf

It's good to hear someone speak up about it.

I won't deny that the song is annoyingly catchy but there's no real musical talent. Real music is like the songs from Pardes, DDLJ, DTPH etc.
 
Tongue arey haila tum yaha.............Swagat hein..........Tongue As far as music goes, it comes down to preference.......Here in the states people malign rap/hip-hop as being ghetto and not real music and yet others think Rock/roll is not real music but just noise..........People who don't like heavy metal say that's just noise and not music.........who's to say who's right and who's wrong? Jagjit's gazals weren't a big hit with everyone, many people think gazals are nothing but glorified whining........Are they wrong? who says they are wrong? Are they not allowed to have their preferences? Tongue 

Kya karo? Itni dair aapse door nahi reh saktiWinkLOL
No doubt everyone's choice is different when it comes to music but I don't think it takes much musical talent to sing a song like Sheila Ki Jawani in comparison to a classic like 'Nahin Hona Tha' from Pardes. That's just my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. A song like Sheila Ki Jawani will be forgotten in a couple of months whereas Nahin Hona Tha is a classic that won't be forgotten so easily. Chaiya Chaiya was also considered to be an 'item number' by Malaika Arora yet the song is so much better in every aspect compared to SKJ. 

Oh and i've always thought rock music is noise. It hurts my ears. Hip-hop any day! I don't deny that there are very few songs in hip-hop that actually have good lyrics. Rap on the other hand has some great songs, and tend to be more meaningful. Just take a listen to 'Where is the love?' by Black Eyed Peas and you'll know what I mean.

How have you been Ankit? Will you be watching DID doubles?
 
Tongue I am great..........yess am looking forward to DID doubles..........no Terrence, all Geeta Ma all the time..........Tongue It's going to be the finest DID season till date let me tell you........Big smile okay as far as Pardes song goes, I am sure lot of people forgot it already........you didn't because you connected with it............same goes for munni badnaam hui or SKJ........people who connect with these songs won't forget them either........just like mehbooba mehbooba from Sholay........people still remember that song.......Tongue Waise I would have never guessed that you're in to Rap and Hip Hop.........DID mein Terrence ki fan thi, and let's face it his style of dancing doesn't lend to Hip Hop.....Tongue oye suno iis season chalo dono saath saath Geeta Ma ki team ko support karenge........pakka Tongue
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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 9:19am | IP Logged
Originally posted by ankit_nyc

Originally posted by hindu4lyf

It's good to hear someone speak up about it.

I won't deny that the song is annoyingly catchy but there's no real musical talent. Real music is like the songs from Pardes, DDLJ, DTPH etc.
 
Tongue arey haila tum yaha.............Swagat hein..........Tongue As far as music goes, it comes down to preference.......Here in the states people malign rap/hip-hop as being ghetto and not real music and yet others think Rock/roll is not real music but just noise..........People who don't like heavy metal say that's just noise and not music.........who's to say who's right and who's wrong? Jagjit's gazals weren't a big hit with everyone, many people think gazals are nothing but glorified whining........Are they wrong? who says they are wrong? Are they not allowed to have their preferences? Tongue  I love gazals, but I love munni badnaam hui songs as well.........I don't understand why there has to be a choice........why can't there be all different kinds of music and people can listen to what they want.........why should any kind of music be banned or not allowed to be made? Tongue 
 
Quite right. Jagjit Singh does not like item songs - fair enough. Unlike the 'today's music/yesterday's music' dichotomy being presented by him, there is lots of classical and light classical music available out there. If he wants, he can comfortably buy the CD's he likes. It's his preference and his choice.
 
But it's mindless of him to try to rationalise the matter and to malign item songs as 'not music' as if it's a matter of fact. It's a matter of choice.

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