India Deserves Better PM!!! - Page 3

We do deserve better politicians. But how many upper middle class Indian residents actually go out and vote. Elections are held at the height of summer season. And people do not wish to leave the comfort of their A/C rooms.
Edited by Eventide - 13 years ago

Originally posted by: crazy_sunny

Who , in your opinion would make a better PM who could deal with the Kashmir situation? So far none of the politicians have come up with any sensible solution. Even those local politicians in Kashmir seem to have no clue !

Whenever Kashmir issue crops up, we talk about negotiations but the truth is the government which has ruled the country for max. years did not want the Kashmir issue to solved. They knew Kashmir would help them to remain in power. It is not that big a deal solving Kashmir issue if one really wants to do so. Kashmir saw peace in Vajpayee government. Government can do wonders if it really wants to but certainly the ruling party has used Kashmir as a political tool to maintain its position.

Originally posted by: Eventide

We do deserve better politicians. But how many upper middle class Indian residents actually go out and vote. Elections are held at the height of summer season. And people do not wish to leave the comfort of their A/C rooms.

Dats the biggest problem.. So before blaming any politician individually we as society shud question ourselves if we have done our bit. Metros like Mumbai do not even register 50% voting which clearly shows that upper middles class and educated section of the society keep themselves away from election but they are the same people who comes out with candles in their hand and shout against government.

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

The politicians of India have vested interests in keeping the niggling Kashmir problem alive....a thing that has been the tradition ever since the days of Good Ole' Nehru.

The Kashmiris' main grievance is centering the Amry. They want the demilitarization -at any cost.

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Absolutely!.. Kashmir issue itself started with Nehru and followed by his generations. If right in 1948 Nehru had listened to Sardar Patel, today valley would really have been Heaven on earth. Nehru in order to maintain his image internationally screwed up nation's fate. About army, YES kashmiris do not want forces around then but if they get demilitarization then the valley will be filled with militants which would be more dangerous.

Originally posted by: JATINTHAKKAR

I<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#9933ff"> agree that Kashmir's Problem was not solved by Nehru that time & that's why everyone is Suffering today.</font>

<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#9933ff">Nehryu had Vested Interests.He Never Allowed Sardar Vallabhai Patel & Army to solve the Kashmir Issue.</font>

<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#9933ff">Nehru wanted to take Time & He was not a Serious PM at all.Due to Nehru's soft Policies,China attacked on us.</font>

<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#9933ff">If Sardar Vallabbhai Patel would had given the Responsibility of handling Kashmir issue,he would have done that Better & Solved it with the help of Army.</font>

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<strong><font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#9933ff">Complete Demilitarization is not the Solution.Kashmiris want seprate Autonomy & Independence.But We can't Give it coz Total Freedom to Kashmir will be like Giving Free land to Terrorists & Separatists.</font>

You said it all..! Every1 knows Sardar Patel stopped Nehru from taking kashmir issue to UN but Nehru didn't listen to him and at dat Sardar Patel cleared to him dat because of this our future generations wil have to face the problem. And today we are seeing what he said is absolutely right.

7 blunders that will always haunt India by Major General Mrinal Suman




[ History is most unforgiving. As historical mistakes cannot be undone, they have complex cascading effect on a nation's future. Here are seven historical blunders that have changed the course of independent India's history and cast a dark shadow over its future. These costly mistakes will continue to haunt India for generations. They have been recounted here in a chronological order with a view to highlight the inadequacies of India's decision-making apparatus and the leadership's incompetence to act with vision.]




Kashmir Mess




There can be no better example of shooting one's own foot than India's clumsy handling of the Kashmir issue. It is a saga of naivety, blinkered vision and inept leadership.




Hari Singh was the reigning monarch of the state of Jammu and Kashmir in 1947. He was vacillating when tribal marauders invaded Kashmir in October 1947, duly backed by the Pakistan army. Unable to counter them, Hari Singh appealed to India for assistance and agreed to accede to India. Indian forces blunted the invasion and re-conquered vast areas.




First, India erred by not insisting on unequivocal accession of the state to the Dominion of India and granted special status to it through Article 370 of the Constitution. Secondly, when on the verge of evicting all invaders and recapturing the complete state, India halted operations on 1 January 1949 and appealed to the Security Council. It is the only case in known history wherein a country, when on the threshold of complete victory, has voluntarily forsaken it in the misplaced hope of winning admiration of the world community. Thirdly and most shockingly, the Indian leadership made a highly unconstitutional offer of plebiscite in the UN.




Forty percent area of the state continues to be under Pakistan's control, providing it a strategic land route to China through the Karakoram ranges. As a fall out of the unresolved dispute, India and Pakistan have fought numerous wars and skirmishes with no solution in sight.Worse, the local politicians are holding India to ransom by playing the Pak card. Kashmir issue is a self-created cancerous furuncle that defies all medications and continues to bleed the country.




No 2: Ignoring Chinese Threats and Neglecting the Military




Memories of the year 1962 will always trouble the Indian psyche. A nation of India's size had lulled itself into believing that its protestations and platitudes of peaceful co-existence would be reciprocated by the world. It was often stated that a peace-loving nation like India did not need military at all. The armed forces were neglected. The political leadership took pride in denigrating the military leadership and meddled in internal affairs of the services to promote sycophancy. Foreign policy was in shambles. The intelligence apparatus was rusty.




Even though signs of China's aggressive intentions were clearly discernible for years in advance, the Indian leadership decided to keep its eyes shut in the fond hope that the problem would resolve itself. When China struck, the country was caught totally unprepared. Troops were rushed to snowbound areas with summer clothing and outdated rifles. Despite numerous sagas of gallantry, the country suffered terrible embarrassment. India was on its knees. With the national morale and pride in tatters, India was forced to appeal to all nations for military aid.Inept and incompetent leadership had forced a proud nation to find solace in Lata Mangeshkar's Ae Mere Watan Ke Logo.




No 3: The Tashkent Agreement and Return of Haji Pir Pass




Following the cease-fire after the Indo-Pak War of 1965, a Russian-sponsored agreement was signed between India and Pakistan in Tashkent on 10 January 1966. Under the agreement, India agreed to return the strategic Haji Pir pass to Pakistan which it had captured in August 1965 against heavy odds and at a huge human cost. The pass connects Poonch and Uri sectors in Jammu and Kashmir and reduces the distance between the two sectors to 15 km whereas the alternate route entails a travel of over 200 km. India got nothing in return except an undertaking by Pakistan to abjure war, an undertaking which meant little as Pakistan never had any intention of honouring it.




Return of the vital Haji Pir pass was a mistake of monumental proportions for which India is suffering to date. In addition to denying a direct link between Poonch and Uri sectors, the pass is being effectively used by Pakistan to sponsor infiltration of terrorists into India. Inability to resist Russian pressure was a manifestation of the spineless Indian foreign policy and shortsighted leadership.

No 4: The Simla Agreement




With the fall of Dhaka on 16 December 1971, India had scored a decisive victory over Pakistan. Over 96,000 Pak soldiers were taken Prisoners of War (PoWs). Later, an agreement was signed between the two countries on 2 July 1972 at Shimla. Both countries agreed to exchange all PoWs, respect the line of control (LOC) in Jammu and Kashmir and refrain from the use of threat or force. Additionally, Bhutto gave a solemn verbal undertaking to accept LOC as the de facto border.




India released all Pak PoWs in good faith. Pakistan, on the other hand, released only 617 Indian PoWs while holding back 54 PoWs who are still languishing in Pakistani jails. The Indian Government has admitted this fact a number of times but has failed to secure their release. India failed to use the leverage of 96,000 Pak PoWs to discipline Pakistan. A rare opportunity was thus wasted. Forget establishing permanent peace in the sub-continent, India failed to ensure release of all Indian PoWs - a criminal omission by all accounts.




The naivety of the Indian delegation can be seen from the fact that it allowed Pakistan to bluff its way through at Shimla. The Indian leadership was fooled into believing Pakistan's sincerity.Unquestionably, Pakistan never intended to abide by its promises, both written and verbal. Fruits of a hard-fought victory in the battlefield were frittered away on the negotiating table by the bungling leadership.




No. 5: The Nuclear Muddle




Subsequent to the Chinese Nuclear Test at Lop Nor in 1964, India showed rare courage in carrying out its first nuclear test on 18 May 1974 at Pokharan. Outside the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, India was the only nation to prove its nuclear capability. The whole country was ecstatic and every Indian felt proud of its scientific prowess.But Indians had not contended with their Government's penchant for converting opportunity into adversity and squandering hard-earned gains.




Instead of asserting India's newly acquired status of a nuclear power and demanding recognition, India turned apologetic and tried to convince the world that it had no nuclear ambitions. Strangely, it termed the Pokharan test as a 'peaceful nuclear explosion' - a term unheard of till then. The Defence Minister went to the extent of claiming that the Indian nuclear experiment was 'only for mining, oil and gas prospecting, for finding underground sources of water, for diverting rivers, for scientific and technological knowledge.' It was a self-deprecating stance. Displaying acute inferiority complex, India did not want to be counted as a member of the exclusive nuclear club.




Criticism and sanctions were expected and must have been factored in before opting for the nuclear test. Whereas a few more assertive follow-on tests would have forced the world to accept India as a member of the nuclear club, India went into an overdrive to placate the world through a self-imposed moratorium on further testing. It lost out on all the advantages provided to it by its scientists. It suffered sanctions and yet failed to gain recognition as a nuclear power.The country missed golden opportunities due to the timidity and spinelessness of its leaders.




No 6: The Kandahar hijacking




The hijacking of an Indian Airlines aircraft to Kandahar by Pakistani terrorists in December 1999 will continue to rile India's self-respect for long. According to the Hindustan Times, India lost face and got reduced to begging for co-operation from the very regimes that were actively undermining its internal security. The hijacking revealed how ill-prepared India was to face up to the challenges of international terrorism.




The eight-day long ordeal ended only after India's National Security Adviser brazenly announced that an agreement had been reached for the release of all the hostages in exchange for three Kashmiri militants including Maulana Masood Azhar. Sadly, the Prime Minister claimed credit for forcing the hijackers to climb down on their demands. The worst was yet to follow. India's Foreign Minister decided to accompany the released militants to Kandahar, as if seeing off honoured guests.




The government's poor crisis-management skills and extreme complacency in security matters allowed the hijackers to take off from Amritsar airport after 39 minutes halt for refueling, thereby letting the problem get out of control. India's much-vaunted decision-making apparatus collapsed and was completely paralysed by the audacity of a bunch of motivated fanatics. It was a comprehensive failure of monumental proportions. India's slack and amateurish functioning made the country earn the tag of a soft nation which it will find very difficult to shed.




No 7: Illegal Immigration and Passage of IMDT Act




It is a standard practice all over the world that the burden of proving one's status as a bonafide citizen of a country falls on the accused. It is so for India as well under Foreigners Act, 1946.Political expediency forced the Government to make an exception for Assam. In one of the most short-sighted and anti-national moves, India passed the Illegal Migrants - Determination by Tribunals (IMDT) Act of 1984 for Assam. It shifted the onus of proving the illegal status of a suspected immigrant on to the accuser, which was a tall and virtually impossible order. Detection and deportation of illegal immigrants became impossible.




Whenever demands were raised for repealing the Act, the Congress, the Left Front and the United Minorities Front resisted strongly. Illegal immigrants had become the most loyal vote bank of the Congress. Worse, every protest against the Act was dubbed as 'anti-minority' , thereby imparting communal colour to an issue of national security. The government's 'pardon' of all Bangladeshis who had come in before 1985 was another unconstitutional act that aggravated the problem.




The Act was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court on July 13, 2005, more than 20 years after its enactment. The Apex Court was of the view that the influx of Bangladeshi nationals into Assam posed a threat to the integrity and security of northeastern region. Unfortunately, immense damage had already been done to the demography of Assam and the local people of Assam had been reduced to minority status in certain districts. Illegal immigrants have come to have a stranglehold over electioneering to the extent that no party can hope to come to power without their support. Nearly 30 Islamic groups are thriving in the area to further their Islamist and Pan-Bangladesh agenda. It is incomprehensible that a nation's leadership can stoop so low and endanger even national security for garnering votes.

^^ Nice find but too long to read but I just brushed thru' its salinet points...and aptly said the the General.

The importance of a good leadership can never be overemphasized.

Interesting read, Krystal. Nehru did not really value the life of Indian soldiers in the '62 Indo-China war. His 'Don't fire the first bullet' policy made our soldiers sitting ducks. No wonder there was complete bloodbath.

Originally posted by: Eventide

Interesting read, Krystal. Nehru did not really value the life of Indian soldiers in the '62 Indo-China war. His 'Don't fire the first bullet' policy made our soldiers sitting ducks. No wonder there was complete bloodbath.

Aye, dont you say!😆😕

One day, im afraid, an aggrieved Kashmiri's prophecy, that "India ek din 10 tukdo mein tut jayega"...might come true.