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Posted: 16 June 2010 at 7:48pm | IP Logged
I was pondering on this and came across an interesting article.
 
 
 
 

Philosophy, Religion and Spirituality

Dear seekers of the highest Truth, dear brothers and sisters, I wish to give a short talk on philosophy, religion and spirituality. As you all know, philosophy is a vast subject. Religion is a vast subject. Spirituality is a vast subject. Time will not permit me to do justice to these lofty subjects. Yet, with your kind permission, with your loving good will, I shall say a few words from the spiritual point of view on each one.

Philosophy is in the thinking mind. Philosophy is of the searching mind. Philosophy is for the illumining mind.

Religion is our conscious or unconscious response to the beckoning Light. Religion is our firm belief in the lofty experiences of our predecessors. Religion is our great satisfaction in our glorious past.

Spirituality is in the aspiring heart. Spirituality is of the liberating soul. Spirituality is for the fulfilling and immortalising God.

A lover of philosophy talks about God's Vision. A lover of religion talks about God's Power. A lover of spirituality talks about God's Compassion. A lover of philosophy wants to see God's Face. A lover of religion wants to see God's Eye. A lover of spirituality wishes to grow into God's all compassionate Heart.

A man of philosophy is a dreamer. A man of religion is an observer. A man of spirituality is a divine lover. A divine dreamer, a divine observer and a divine lover are good friends.

A man of philosophy wants to see the height of life. A man of religion wants to see the depth of life. A man of spirituality wants to see the reality of life and the reality in life.

There is a human philosophy and there is a divine philosophy. The human philosophy is a dry piece of wood. The human philosophy is a soulless goal. The divine philosophy is a fruitful tree. The divine philosophy is an all illumining life and an all fulfilling goal. The divine philosophy knows that its Source is transcendental Silence. The divine philosophy knows that its Source is transcendental Delight.

There is a human religion and a divine religion. The human religion is a baseless self aggrandisement. The human religion is a lifeless confidence. The divine religion is a constant God proclamation from the very depth of the seeker's heart. It is in the inmost recesses of his heart that a seeker proclaims God's Reality, God's Divinity, God's Immortality.

There is a human spirituality and a divine spirituality. The human spirituality, in the name of God, deceives mankind. The human spirituality, in the name of God, deceives its own true being by offering a false God realisation to aspiring humanity. The divine spirituality knows that at God's choice Hour each follower of religion will be inundated with infinite Light, Peace and Bliss. The divine spirituality is fully aware of the fact that each practitioner of spirituality is a conscious, chosen instrument of God, crying for the dawn of Life immortal here on earth.

A man of true philosophy, a man of true religion and a man of true spirituality need God. For them there is no other choice.

I am extremely happy to learn that the motto of the state of Colorado is "Nothing without Deity." Without God, without the Inner Pilot, we are nothing. With the Inner Pilot, we are everything. God is the Realisation tree, and this Realisation tree has many branches. Philosophy, religion and spirituality are three branches of God the Realisation tree. The man of philosophy can sit under the philosophy branch, the man of religion can sit under the religion branch, and the man of spirituality can sit under the spirituality branch. It is in the protection and shelter of the Divinity that we can grow into Immortality.

The man of philosophy, the man of religion and the man of spirituality are three brothers walking along three different roads. But they have started their journey, and they are destined to reach their goal at God's choice Hour. Each human being has philosophy to some extent, religion to some extent and spirituality to some extent. But if a seeker enters into the life of aspiration, and if his inner being compels him to love God for God's sake, then automatically the wealth of philosophy, the wealth of religion and the wealth of spirituality will all loom large in his life of aspiration. Philosophy will tell him who God is. Religion will tell him where God is. Spirituality will tell him why God is.


April 23rd, 1974
9:00 p.m.
University of Colorado
The Physics Building
Boulder, Colorado



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Posted: 16 June 2010 at 7:54pm | IP Logged

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Philosophy is in the thinking mind. Philosophy is of the searching mind. Philosophy is for the illumining mind.

Religion is our conscious or unconscious response to the beckoning Light. Religion is our firm belief in the lofty experiences of our predecessors. Religion is our great satisfaction in our glorious past.

Spirituality is in the aspiring heart. Spirituality is of the liberating soul. Spirituality is for the fulfilling and immortalising God.

The speaker definitely has plenty of insight, eventhough views may differ.

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Posted: 16 June 2010 at 9:29pm | IP Logged
I've been considering opening a similar topic for a while. Finally you did Summerji.

One main thought I have mulled over for years is why God and Religion are so tightly bound together. Also why people perceive God as a theistic God as described by modern monotheism and dismiss other differing concepts of God.

A religious person necessarily does not believe in God. In Hinduism a Nastik can also be a Hindu. There is a whole vedic school of thought 'Samkhya' which is essentially atheist. Buddhism and Jainism are both often classified as atheistic religion. They are more spiritual rather than theistic. Both Buddha and Mahavira came upon their philosophy after rejecting contemporary practices and belief in God, faith, and devotion. Then there are Taoism and Confucianism. Taoism is again very spiritual where emphasis is on the way and balance. Confucianism is the religion most people have the hardest time wrapping their heads around. There is neither emphasis on theism or spirituality. There is ritual etc, but the emphasis is on wisdom of ancestors. Then there are religions like Wiccan, Shamanism, Vodun that place emphasis on nature.

When people say God, everyone assumes a creationist entity, the omnipotent or omnipresent. However, this is not true. The concept of God itself is so varied. There are various Vedic philosophies that have various approaches to defining God. Even within Christianity there is debate on the nature of the Trinity, with certain ancient beliefs being deemed heretic by some. As I mentioned before there are several other concepts of God based on nature, humanism etc.

To me faith or belief comes from personal spirituality and philosophy. IT is how we connect to the world and how we think and understand it. Religion to me is merely labels created grouping together certain common concepts. Each person views religion, spirituality and philosophy differently.

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Posted: 16 June 2010 at 10:03pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

I've been considering opening a similar topic for a while. Finally you did Summerji.

One main thought I have mulled over for years is why God and Religion are so tightly boundtogether. Also why people perceive God as a theistic God as described by modern monotheism and dismiss other differing concepts of God.

A religious person necessarily does not believe in God. In Hinduism a Nastik can also be a Hindu. There is a whole vedic school of thought 'Samkhya' which is essentially atheist. Buddhism and Jainism are both often classified as atheistic religion. They are more spiritual rather than theistic. Both Buddha and Mahavira came upon their philosophy after rejecting contemporary practices and belief in God, faith, and devotion. Then there are Taoism and Confucianism. Taoism is again very spiritual where emphasis is on the way and balance. Confucianism is the religion most people have the hardest time wrapping their heads around. There is neither emphasis on theism or spirituality. There is ritual etc, but the emphasis is on wisdom of ancestors. Then there are religions like Wiccan, Shamanism, Vodun that place emphasis on nature.

When people say God, everyone assumes a creationist entity, the omnipotent or omnipresent. However, this is not true. The concept of God itself is so varied. There are various Vedic philosophies that have various approaches to defining God. Even within Christianity there is debate on the nature of the Trinity, with certain ancient beliefs being deemed heretic by some. As I mentioned before there are several other concepts of God based on nature, humanism etc.

To me faith or belief comes from personal spirituality and philosophy. IT is how we connect to the world and how we think and understand it. Religion to me is merely labels created grouping together certain common concepts. Each person views religion, spirituality and philosophy differently.
Ah you must be sending me some telepathic messages and I had to bend to it.LOL
 
 
yes I agree with your conclusion above. Religion and beliefs are all personal and there is no right or wrong, once a person is serioiusly on the path and sincere they will be correctly guided.
 
All religion and philosophy fall short of the Truth because Truth is said to be beyond words and imagination. so they say that Truth has to be "experienced". But we are caught is some sort of a  maze and find it hard to see the exit. Perhaps we do not see the Truth because we think too much.
 
 
I think over the years religion and philosophy has been changing and it is getting broader, deeper and wider too. People read more and undestand more and some of these ideas are also incorporated into books and movies. But God or the Ultimate never changes, He is neither old nor new. I believe God is the sum of all of us.
 
Religion, philosophy etc is all manmade.
Toaism I thought believe in various Gods compared to Confucinism which is philosophy on conducting and living our lives.
 
 

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Posted: 16 June 2010 at 11:44pm | IP Logged
If we check different religion.... there seems to be something fundamental missing...they forgot one thing...Pht Mohammed was not follwing anybody, and they follwed Mohammed...then Gautam Buddha was not following anybody, and they are following Gautam Buddha.. that Jesus Christ was not following anybody, and they are following Jesus Christ.... That is the point where they missed....You have to be just yourself, individual, not a carbon copy of anybody else. You have to assert your original face... Existence believes in originality, not in imitation...try to find and understand the real truth thats importent...Smile
 

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Posted: 17 June 2010 at 12:22am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Believe

If we check different religion.... there seems to be something fundamental missing...they forgot one thing...Pht Mohammed was not follwing anybody, and they follwed Mohammed...then Gautam Buddha was not following anybody, and they are following Gautam Buddha.. that Jesus Christ was not following anybody, and they are following Jesus Christ.... That is the point where they missed....You have to be just yourself, individual, not a carbon copy of anybody else. You have to assert your original face... Existence believes in originality, not in imitation...try to find and understand the real truth thats importent...Smile
 
yes most religions are other people's experiences and not your own.
But such knowledge is useful guide only, we must walk on our own.
We are all now asleep and need to "WAKE UP !" from this Dream of life.
There is something that has trapped us in this  world of mind and body and senses.
Let me know when you find the escape route Vinu ji.

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Posted: 18 June 2010 at 12:04am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

 
Religion, philosophy etc is all manmade.

Yes, no one has met or spoken to higher powers that maybe. All that we believe, is passed on from one human to another.

Toaism I thought believe in various Gods compared to Confucinism which is philosophy on conducting and living our lives.

Taoists may believe in local Gods, but the religion is more about the way. They also speak of life force. Yin/Yang also stems from here.



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Posted: 18 June 2010 at 12:05am | IP Logged
Seems like we may have beaten God, Spirituality, Religion, Philosophy to death. No one is responding. I was hoping POH would have insights and opinions. Maybe some thoughts and paradoxes. This is his forte.

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