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Posted: 03 March 2012 at 9:10am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Tani91

Rachel from GleeLOL, I dunno about Rachel from friends since I was too young to be involved in the fan base at the time

I'm a Matt-Caro shipper too but since the start of this season I've begun to ship Forwood only because I have a feeling that I don't think they will ever revisit Matt-CaroBroken Heart

It;s like Matt-Caro never happened for the writers. So easily they dismissed Matt-Caro. They never did it to Stelena or Delena. But no, Matt-Caro doesn't deserve recognition at all. Damn.

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oh Rach, I agree so much! the entire fandom ships Klaroline a lot because (I think) joseph and candice are pretty. so they always ship pretty people together. personally, I still think klonnie would have made so much more sense than klaroline.

AND YES, urgh, to them, matt/caroline never happened. >.< they had great build-up and friendship, and then they just took that away. so annoyed.

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oh Rach, I agree so much! the entire fandom ships Klaroline a lot because (I think) joseph and candice are pretty. so they always ship pretty people together. personally, I still think klonnie would have made so much more sense than klaroline.

AND YES, urgh, to them, matt/caroline never happened. >.< they had great build-up and friendship, and then they just took that away. so annoyed.

Ikr? Yes! it's always like, these two are pretty, let's ship them. And I honestly feel the writers of TVD just went on to fanfiction.net and checked out Klaroline fics (when Klaroline was STILL an effing crackship!) and then turned Fanfiction to reality. Yes. that's my explanation. I don't even know what Julie's doing with the writing anymore.

And first, Matt's hardly ever of importance. It's like the whole show is about Elena and Caroline and  the Originals now. It's not fair. They don't even remember Matt/caro happened. Only once Elena asked Matt how he's dealing with it. And he said he just wants her to be happy. that's the only thing we have of them anymore. 

And I'm all for Klonnie, even though I really really shipped Beremy, but they ruined that too.
But honestly, I don't think Klaus should be shipped with anyone. He's badass enough on his own. Seriously. But Klaus and Bonnie together would be epic badassery. 

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it's so freaking annoying. I think they took the 'I'm never the one' from season one - and then went and had caroline hook up with practically all the guys on the show. >.< erm, whut? 

RIGHT? ergh, no one asks him how he's dealing with having no family, having to work to support himself, and dealing with the supernatural and losing his girlfriend to it and his best friend all on his own. it's so sad. he and bonnie are the two people I love the most and their stories are the most tragic in a way.

klaus/bonnie (heck, bonnie/any original) would be so badass because she would not take anyone's crap. she's too strong for that. she'd challenge klaus - and I could see him being so taken with her power, and then her stubbornness. the fanfictions online are better written than the show rn actually.

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it's so freaking annoying. I think they took the 'I'm never the one' from season one - and then went and had caroline hook up with practically all the guys on the show. >.< erm, whut? 

RIGHT? ergh, no one asks him how he's dealing with having no family, having to work to support himself, and dealing with the supernatural and losing his girlfriend to it and his best friend all on his own. it's so sad. he and bonnie are the two people I love the most and their stories are the most tragic in a way.

klaus/bonnie (heck, bonnie/any original) would be so badass because she would not take anyone's crap. she's too strong for that. she'd challenge klaus - and I could see him being so taken with her power, and then her stubbornness. the fanfictions online are better written than the show rn actually.

you know, the 'im never the one' was actually what had me shipping Matt/Caro so hard. Caroline was practically insignificant in season 1. Matt saw her for who she was. An actual person. He hung out with her, helped her, was her friend, and then finally he fell in love with her. He was the first person to have loved her for her. Doesn't that count for something? Tyler hardly cared much about Caroline in season one, right? Matt was the only guy who truly loved her for who she was. He's her humanity, and it looks like Caroline herself forgot she loved Matt so damn much, that she sang for him, and fought her vampire urges to be with him.  The Writers honestly ruined such a beautiful relationship.

Bonnie is a badass character, really. I loved how Caroline stood up for Bonnie in the last episode. I know it wasn't Elena's fault, but I'm just sick of the entire 'elena is in danger, let's save her and to hell with the others' thing. Because Bonnie always loses someone. First her Grams, then Elena sent Jeremy away, and now her mother. 

I love Bonnie, and I love and miss Season 1 and 2 Caroline. I like this Caroline too, it's just, them making every damn person fall for her is getting a little annoying.

I honestly am not liking the show all that much this season. 

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you know, the 'im never the one' was actually what had me shipping Matt/Caro so hard. Caroline was practically insignificant in season 1. Matt saw her for who she was. An actual person. He hung out with her, helped her, was her friend, and then finally he fell in love with her. He was the first person to have loved her for her. Doesn't that count for something? Tyler hardly cared much about Caroline in season one, right? Matt was the only guy who truly loved her for who she was. He's her humanity, and it looks like Caroline herself forgot she loved Matt so damn much, that she sang for him, and fought her vampire urges to be with him.  The Writers honestly ruined such a beautiful relationship.

Bonnie is a badass character, really. I loved how Caroline stood up for Bonnie in the last episode. I know it wasn't Elena's fault, but I'm just sick of the entire 'elena is in danger, let's save her and to hell with the others' thing. Because Bonnie always loses someone. First her Grams, then Elena sent Jeremy away, and now her mother. 

I love Bonnie, and I love and miss Season 1 and 2 Caroline. I like this Caroline too, it's just, them making every damn person fall for her is getting a little annoying.

I honestly am not liking the show all that much this season. 

red: ohmygosh yes, this is what I've been trying to say to people! I can never make it quite so eloquent. They were friends first, they both had to get past their preconceived notions of each other, they built a friendship - and then they fell in love. He loved her even after he found out she was a vampire - he saved her (and Tyler) when he could have easily let them both suffer since he'd been 'compelled' to forget. He didn't have to do that, but he loved her, he still loves her. He still sees her as Caroline. She's still the Caroline he fell in love with, just now she won't age. And frankly, I think if he were ever given the choice? he'd choose to turn to spend eternity with her.

red: YES. YESYESYESYESYES. I love you for putting that into words.

blue: I agree with this. and you know what I really hate? that Bonnie gets hate for what Caroline said. erm, no one is saying Elena doesn't get hurt or that Bonnie has lost the most - what Caroline said to Elena, what the writers were (finally) trying to acknowledge was that when saving Elena, when trying to protect Elena, Bonnie always got hurt - she lost people, her Grams, Jeremy, now her mom (even initially her mom if you think about the fact that Abby left after casting the spell to entomb Mikael to protect Elena), even herself - to save Elena. If it were her own life on the line, Bonnie wouldn't mind so much - but she has no support system at all rn. I loved Caroline for being there for Bonnie.

This season was a let down. I do not like what they've done with Klaus' character - they could have made him 3D without turning him into a caricature of himself. >.< (and honestly, they built up so much to the arrival of the Originals - was this it? are they all gone after all the hype? are you serious? I'd rather them back then having more love triangles/hexagons/whatever-gons shoved down my throat.)

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you know, the 'im never the one' was actually what had me shipping Matt/Caro so hard. Caroline was practically insignificant in season 1. Matt saw her for who she was. An actual person. He hung out with her, helped her, was her friend, and then finally he fell in love with her. He was the first person to have loved her for her. Doesn't that count for something? Tyler hardly cared much about Caroline in season one, right? Matt was the only guy who truly loved her for who she was. He's her humanity, and it looks like Caroline herself forgot she loved Matt so damn much, that she sang for him, and fought her vampire urges to be with him.  The Writers honestly ruined such a beautiful relationship.

Bonnie is a badass character, really. I loved how Caroline stood up for Bonnie in the last episode. I know it wasn't Elena's fault, but I'm just sick of the entire 'elena is in danger, let's save her and to hell with the others' thing. Because Bonnie always loses someone. First her Grams, then Elena sent Jeremy away, and now her mother. 

I love Bonnie, and I love and miss Season 1 and 2 Caroline. I like this Caroline too, it's just, them making every damn person fall for her is getting a little annoying.

I honestly am not liking the show all that much this season. 

red: ohmygosh yes, this is what I've been trying to say to people! I can never make it quite so eloquent. They were friends first, they both had to get past their preconceived notions of each other, they built a friendship - and then they fell in love. He loved her even after he found out she was a vampire - he saved her (and Tyler) when he could have easily let them both suffer since he'd been 'compelled' to forget. He didn't have to do that, but he loved her, he still loves her. He still sees her as Caroline. She's still the Caroline he fell in love with, just now she won't age. And frankly, I think if he were ever given the choice? he'd choose to turn to spend eternity with her.

red: YES. YESYESYESYESYES. I love you for putting that into words.

blue: I agree with this. and you know what I really hate? that Bonnie gets hate for what Caroline said. erm, no one is saying Elena doesn't get hurt or that Bonnie has lost the most - what Caroline said to Elena, what the writers were (finally) trying to acknowledge was that when saving Elena, when trying to protect Elena, Bonnie always got hurt - she lost people, her Grams, Jeremy, now her mom (even initially her mom if you think about the fact that Abby left after casting the spell to entomb Mikael to protect Elena), even herself - to save Elena. If it were her own life on the line, Bonnie wouldn't mind so much - but she has no support system at all rn. I loved Caroline for being there for Bonnie.

This season was a let down. I do not like what they've done with Klaus' character - they could have made him 3D without turning him into a caricature of himself. >.< (and honestly, they built up so much to the arrival of the Originals - was this it? are they all gone after all the hype? are you serious? I'd rather them back then having more love triangles/hexagons/whatever-gons shoved down my throat.)
@Bold- Yes. This.  I mean, fine, he freaked out. But who the hell wouldn't? One moment you find out your sister was killed by a vampire, next moment your girlfriend tells you you're a vampire, and she's the only one. WHAT was Matt supposed to think? He's only human. He was always left out of the hoop, so obviously when things just throw themselves on his face, how is he supposed to react?  

And yes, he still loves Caroline. I liked that 'hey' thing of theirs in Season 1. And Matt is like, that's what I always say, when Caroline is getting annoyed by it. And then you see the Season 3, when Caroline's dad dies? Matt says, 'hey' again, and Caroline says 'hey' and hugs him. See how far they've come. How much their relationship developed.  And well, during the Ball, she only agreed to go because Rebekah asked Matt to come. I don't know, and Caroline still hasn't said 'I love you' to Tyler. And I just hope she won't anytime soon. Matt/Caro are so damn beautiful. Why would the writers end them?

And Bonnie hardly deserves the hate she gets. I feel bad for her. Delena shippers hate her because people ship Bamon (I'm a Delena shipper, but I honestly LOVE Bonnie!), Jeremy/Anna shippers hate her for being insensitive to Jeremy's feelings when Jeremy cheated on her with a FREAKING GHOST! Elena fans hate her for what Caroline told Elena. It's like, Bonnie always ends up being the one left out and getting hate. I like Elena, it's just, she's not my favorite person at all this season. Caroline is cute, though still not my favorite.

And god Klaus. Don't even get me started. WHAT have they transformed Klaus into? Fine Badass characters can fall in love, we saw that with Damon, and frankly I got a little annoyed how they suddenly turned Damon into this puppy dog kind of thing for Elena, and now they're doing it to Klaus. The originals, after so much hype, that's all there is? Seriously? And the old tried and tested cliche. OMG we have to kill Klaus, because he's killing people! Now I'd agree to that if Klaus was actually harming the town, but he's actually too busy chasing around a girl to kill anyone. That's stupid. 

Btw, what's your tumblr account Radz? I'm on Tumblr too, I'll follow you!

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@Bold- Yes. This.  I mean, fine, he freaked out. But who the hell wouldn't? One moment you find out your sister was killed by a vampire, next moment your girlfriend tells you you're a vampire, and she's the only one. WHAT was Matt supposed to think? He's only human. He was always left out of the hoop, so obviously when things just throw themselves on his face, how is he supposed to react?  

And yes, he still loves Caroline. I liked that 'hey' thing of theirs in Season 1. And Matt is like, that's what I always say, when Caroline is getting annoyed by it. And then you see the Season 3, when Caroline's dad dies? Matt says, 'hey' again, and Caroline says 'hey' and hugs him. See how far they've come. How much their relationship developed.  And well, during the Ball, she only agreed to go because Rebekah asked Matt to come. I don't know, and Caroline still hasn't said 'I love you' to Tyler. And I just hope she won't anytime soon. Matt/Caro are so damn beautiful. Why would the writers end them?

And Bonnie hardly deserves the hate she gets. I feel bad for her. Delena shippers hate her because people ship Bamon (I'm a Delena shipper, but I honestly LOVE Bonnie!), Jeremy/Anna shippers hate her for being insensitive to Jeremy's feelings when Jeremy cheated on her with a FREAKING GHOST! Elena fans hate her for what Caroline told Elena. It's like, Bonnie always ends up being the one left out and getting hate. I like Elena, it's just, she's not my favorite person at all this season. Caroline is cute, though still not my favorite.

And god Klaus. Don't even get me started. WHAT have they transformed Klaus into? Fine Badass characters can fall in love, we saw that with Damon, and frankly I got a little annoyed how they suddenly turned Damon into this puppy dog kind of thing for Elena, and now they're doing it to Klaus. The originals, after so much hype, that's all there is? Seriously? And the old tried and tested cliche. OMG we have to kill Klaus, because he's killing people! Now I'd agree to that if Klaus was actually harming the town, but he's actually too busy chasing around a girl to kill anyone. That's stupid. 

Btw, what's your tumblr account Radz? I'm on Tumblr too, I'll follow you!

red: I AGREE. People seem to just let go of that - his sister was turned and staked and everyone thinks she just took off. Matt finds out the truth the same night he finds out his girlfriend is a vampire - and obviously freaks out. I mean, come on, who wouldn't? Here's the girl he's in love with, telling him that his sister is actually dead, and that she's one of the creatures of the night. He freaked. But he came back. And people ignore that. I do not get why, and it sucks.

blue: He came back for her, he's saved her (from herself first, when she was drunk - I seriously think the turn their relationship took that night kept her from going off the rails - and then later he keeps coming back for her, despite knowing that as a vampire, she's physically stronger than him), he loves her. He still loves her. And she still deeply cares for him or she wouldn't have reacted as she did over the MattRebekah ball situation. Elena was nowhere near as worried as Caroline.

red bolded: I don't even want to go there. >.< I get so annoyed with the amount of judgement and hate she gets from the fandom. Do people seem to forget that she's the one working her butt off trying to find spells, putting her magic and her life on the line to cast said spells, to save everyone? And who does she have in her corner? Her Grams is dead, Jeremy's left, Caroline's there (now, but earlier?), and now her mother's dead. We don't know yet what Abby will choose, whether she will transition or not - but Bonnie's got no one willing to help, to die for her, and yes, Elena's lost a lot but Elena's also got so many people willing to do ANYTHING for her. And it sucks that Bonnie's getting all the hate.

blue bolded: Klaus just makes me laugh. He was so much more believable as the big bad who was lashing out at the world because daddy wasn't really daddy and hated him. The big bad who didn't want to be alone so was building an army. *shrugs* That was three dimensional. This Klaus we have now just seems like a caricature. The writers seem to have a hard time balancing feelings in a villain. It's just poor writing.

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