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Originally posted by SValeCalGal

Veni, Vidi - yes ...

 

Vici?  will Ceaser's due be mine? The jury is out ...

 

While I have not done an in-depth review of the kind of discussion that is the be-all-end-all of this the 'Debate Mansion', I would not characterize the little I have seen to be of a serious or substantive nature ... of course I speak from my own perspective ... so love, marriage, rings, and bells can wait for their horse and carriage ... I'm putting my show on the road ... as an avowed and proud atheist and rationalist (the proverbial flotsam and jetsam in the sea of Hindu claptrap that provides sustenance to the rest of my family) ...

 

Someone in the know about the legal position of the separation of 'church' and state (read: religion and state) in Independent India, please oblige us with the facts.  If this concept is on the books, then what I see on Indian TV is nothing short of the tyranny of the majority, and should be firmly and decisively axed.  The active promoting of the 'horrorscope' and astrology snake-oil-salesperson (since women are as much a part as men) on channels pales in comparison!

 

In a nation ostensibly secular, what place does the parading of Hindu sentiment have on shows for public consumption?!  'Hanuman ki Jai', 'Mata ki Jai', 'Ganapati Buppa Morea', wheeling in idols of one kind or another, overt worshipping, Pundits spewing nonsense!!!  To the complete exclusion of Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, Jains, and the myriad other 'faiths'!!!  How is this permitted?!!  It doesn't just stop there of course - does a show exist where the characters are not steeped in Hinduism?!!  Not as far as I can tell.  Another curiosity that leaves me completely thunderstruck is that bizarre gesture - of hand over heart - called 'Sahara Pranam' on the Sahara channel!  Why is this reminiscent of the 'Heil Hitler' of the Nazi regime?  Are these people RSS'ites?! And no one has yet cried 'foul'??!!

 

I entered this forum on the heels of a discussion on 'Money, Love & Happiness' (such as it was)  ... and there it was ... glowing in the rest of the 'darkness' ... the predictable bashing of the 'American' and their natural unhappiness the result of an unnatural amount of money ... the originator has not yet answered my query of whether (s)he has spent any appreciable amount of time in the US to have averred that that is the state of affairs (and uniquely American to boot) ... I suspect (s)he has not ... oh, we do have our ills in this regard ... there is the Christian fundamentalist view broadcast on TV ... on fringe TV ... it would be unthinkable that this would be permitted on mainstream television ... and it does not require the services of an astrologer to predict that behinds would get hauled into court ... governmental agencies and independent legal organizations would hail fire and brimstone ... and up in smoke such an enterprise would go ... to reach some celestial site ...

 

This social climate in the US is a source of great happiness for all of us others who do not subscribe to one or the other superstition-du-jour ... one might almost say 'true happiness'.
Well, personally I'm atheist too, but I will tell you something. At least India isn't like Iraq and other radical countries. Yes, Hinduism is common in India but why just target and complain about India, and not Pakistan, where the Muslims are predominantly common. Oc course, all this yogis and mystical nonsense is a bunch of BS, but you sould a tad bit overconfident of yourself. Have you conducted a survey in India, every single city and town, about how many people actually watch the spiritual channels and then conduct another survey in the US, asking the same question and then compare it to each other. I'm sure that there'll be more people here(in the US). Why? Well simply because there are so many diverse religions in the states, that even though there may be a small group of followers for every religion, the number of sects of every religion are ridiculously huge compared to those in India. And in India, we don't have a religious structure for every sect. Dunno why they do it here(in the US), but that's just the way it is. The best thing, IMO, is to disregard all that crap. And I would like to add that I have had my share of nonsense-spewing by religious leaders here  in the US. They have a greater variety of religious channels, and to top it all off, they have differrent religious channels for different races. Looks like the racism in the US is never gonna change.LOLHmmm, I think you are too judgemental off the Sahara channel thing. In that case, we should sue the Americans for holding their hand to their heart when saying the Pledge of Allegiance. LOL Although I like your visualization and imagery of the similarity to the Nazi regime. It's amusingLOL rest is all cynicism, which I have replied to in my previous posts.

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Hey Debs for a 15 yr old you can talk.LOL
Happy Easter I am turning in.  Be more peaceful for Easter and Mr Jesus will bless you.
 
Just heart Empty Bhai's great song. Great Job.


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My reply later, but lets refresh some basics of church and state separation to see if we agree on some things. Ideally, the state should not fund any religion. Church and state should function independently.

Encouraging any minority religion or discouraging any majority religion is also against the principle  of church and state separation. It follows from here that discouraging Hindu serials will be against secularism just like over appeasement of minorities.

Things needed for the upliftment of the oppressed- for example opportunities or education for the minorities should rather be approached with a neutral stance, irrespective of the religion. It should be ensured that fair opportunities are provided to all persons without any bias towards a particular religion.


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