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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 3:47pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Emptiness

Originally posted by Gauri_3

Originally posted by Mister.K.

Originally posted by Gauri_3

Originally posted by Mister.K.

Originally posted by Gauri_3

Gandhari is known to be a smart and righteous woman.  She was the only sane voice amongst her kids and hubby.  Why did Gandhari not ask Shakuni to leave when she is shown to be averse to him and very well aware of what he was up to? 
 
This question bugs me at times. 


Duryodhan and/or Dhritarastr would have negated her.
 
True that.  Dhritrashtra was dependent on Shakuni for his morale boosting as Vidur and Bheeshm used to call a spade a spade.  D's insecurities were Shakuni's biggest strength. 
 
Still, Gandhari could have asked B or V to send Shakuni back.  After all, it was her home and her children that Shakuni was after.


Well, over the time, a million people asked Bheeshm and Vidur to do something about Duryodhan and how he was going out of hand.  They even consider exiling Duryodhan after they had conclusive proof that Shakuni and Duryodhan planned the lakshaya grih incident. Dhritarastr, the king in charge, completely rejects that idea.
 
Given how Ganga Putra was under oath to serve the Hastinapur King, I can understand that he couldn't go against D's wishes.  But Vidur could have done something --- supari nikaal sakta thaa Shakuni key naam kee.  Tapakwa deta uss ko.  Surely, something could have done.  But then, MB would not have been MB if Shakuni was not there. 
 
Oh well, bye for now.  I am so mad at all of youAngry
 
 


lol.. just take it as part of the story, I mean we could take this a step back and say, why didn't Bhishma just break his vow and get hitched already?... I mean, pretty much everyone in the epic breaks all sorts of rules, norms and cutoms, so one dude breaking a vow is no big deal... even his father and Satyavati make pleas to him to break his vow.


I think that is the moral lesson to be learned from MB. That taking unbreakable vows is also a kind of weakness. Bhishma takes some vows and never breaks them. This forces him to take side with the 'wrong' people such as Duryodhan and also leads to his (Bhisma's) downfall.

Nothing is greater than truth and not even vows.
(of course "what is truth?" is a different question)

Anyway what could be  better? 1) Never to take unbreakable vows or 2) to take vows and then break them, in rare circumstances, only when it is required to be on the side of truth?



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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 4:48pm | IP Logged
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^^ It's best to make an unbreakable vow to never make unbreakable vows...

either that or the vows should come with fine prints...when in doubt read the fine prints.....
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@Vows: Thus, nothing should be done that can lead to an unescapable trap later. Thats why when deities give boons then there are one or two loopholes to avoid situations like division by zero.
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Posted: 09 March 2010 at 6:04pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Gauri_3

Originally posted by Emptiness

Originally posted by Kal El

Here's a different issue: Draupadi's disrobing. Did it really happen? Here are two articles which investigate this interesting question and argue that the whole incident may have been a later addition to the text.

Was Draupadi ever disrobed?
by Pradip Bhattacharya


Was Draupadi Disrobed
in the Dice Hall of Hastinapura? - Satya Chaitanya







M R Yardi, in his - "The Mahabharata, its Genesis and Growth, A Statistical Study" and "Epilogue of Mahabhata" says the same thing, that the whole gambling event and the disrobing episode, are interpolations.
 
Will read these articles and get back on them later. 
 
On the same note --- it is also said that Draupadi only laughed when Duryodhan fell in the pool in Maya Mahal.  That she never said - andhey ka putra andha. 
 
That's right. Draupadi never said that, which is why I did not like BRC showing that. It made her sound more haughty than she was. And not only was she the one who laughed, but also the rest of the Pandavs excluding Yudhisthira, and a bunch of maids and servants. That is why Duryodhan was mainly pissed off, most of the palace laughed at him.

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