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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 5:41am | IP Logged
Originally posted by V323

Originally posted by Angel-Jot.

Uh, I guess we could try to find the member on IF. How are you guys sure that it's a member though?

I KNOW WHO THE MEMBER IS. Had some suspicion, confirmed 'em, and BOOYAH
 
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but this particular member ASKS for permission
 

Vee, you've raised an important point, which to my mind is one of the key things inherent in the plagiarism issue.

You've mentioned that this other member of whom you speak, asks permission to re-post, as is, of course, absolutely mandatory to do.

We all take plagiarism seriously, when it involves one member pillaging from another's work, or a member's work is posted elsewhere on another site, without permission.

But I feel there are members who make similar trespasses, where a generic credit like "Inspired by XYZ" are given in the prologue/ introduction; and then several paras are reproduced verbatim from the said novel in an individual chapter! That is not 'inspiration', that is copying. 

Just by marking a credit to a published book in the intro, ought not to give the writer the right to reproduce paras in totality. I feel it should be incumbent on the author, to rework the wording and details even after citing reference/ credit in the prologue.

If they do decide to reproduce paras verbatim, then:

A) They need to ask the original author/ their legal representatives/ the publishing company for permission if possible,

Or anyway:

B) They definitely need to highlight/ asterisk the reproduced para (regardless of any credit that may have been given in the prologue) and AGAIN specifically mention on the relevant chapter page, that these paras are sourced from the book.

Do let me know your thoughts.

Cheers...




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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 7:36am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Krani

Originally posted by V323

Originally posted by Angel-Jot.

Uh, I guess we could try to find the member on IF. How are you guys sure that it's a member though?

I KNOW WHO THE MEMBER IS. Had some suspicion, confirmed 'em, and BOOYAH
 
Dancing
 
but this particular member ASKS for permission
 

There might be more than one member then, because Gargee's work was on there and she had no idea about it
 
there are more than three members. as admins on that page.

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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 7:41am | IP Logged
Originally posted by RamnVij

Originally posted by V323

Originally posted by Angel-Jot.

Uh, I guess we could try to find the member on IF. How are you guys sure that it's a member though?

I KNOW WHO THE MEMBER IS. Had some suspicion, confirmed 'em, and BOOYAH
 
Dancing
 
but this particular member ASKS for permission
 

Vee, you've raised an important point, which to my mind is one of the key things inherent in the plagiarism issue.

You've mentioned that this other member of whom you speak, asks permission to re-post, as is, of course, absolutely mandatory to do.

We all take plagiarism seriously, when it involves one member pillaging from another's work, or a member's work is posted elsewhere on another site, without permission.

But I feel there are members who make similar trespasses, where a generic credit like "Inspired by XYZ" are given in the prologue/ introduction; and then several paras are reproduced verbatim from the said novel in an individual chapter! That is not 'inspiration', that is copying. 

Just by marking a credit to a published book in the intro, ought not to give the writer the right to reproduce paras in totality. I feel it should be incumbent on the author, to rework the wording and details even after citing reference/ credit in the prologue.

If they do decide to reproduce paras verbatim, then:

A) They need to ask the original author/ their legal representatives/ the publishing company for permission

B) They need to highlight/ asterisk the reproduced para (regardless of any credit that may have been given in the prologue) and AGAIN specifically mention on the relevant chapter page, that these paras are sourced from the book.

Do let me know your thoughts.

Cheers...

 
I personally highlight the line taken from a book, and say which book/quote/fanfic its taken from. That is just basic decency and courtesy. I agree with the points stated above.
 
This case doesn't follow that. I contacted some members who haven't been asked for permission before reposting of there work. Which means that this IS plagiarism, and I am as against it as any sane person.

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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 8:13am | IP Logged
Originally posted by V323

Originally posted by RamnVij

Originally posted by V323

Originally posted by Angel-Jot.

Uh, I guess we could try to find the member on IF. How are you guys sure that it's a member though?

I KNOW WHO THE MEMBER IS. Had some suspicion, confirmed 'em, and BOOYAH
 
Dancing
 
but this particular member ASKS for permission
 

Vee, you've raised an important point, which to my mind is one of the key things inherent in the plagiarism issue.

You've mentioned that this other member of whom you speak, asks permission to re-post, as is, of course, absolutely mandatory to do.

We all take plagiarism seriously, when it involves one member pillaging from another's work, or a member's work is posted elsewhere on another site, without permission.

But I feel there are members who make similar trespasses, where a generic credit like "Inspired by XYZ" are given in the prologue/ introduction; and then several paras are reproduced verbatim from the said novel in an individual chapter! That is not 'inspiration', that is copying. 

Just by marking a credit to a published book in the intro, ought not to give the writer the right to reproduce paras in totality. I feel it should be incumbent on the author, to rework the wording and details even after citing reference/ credit in the prologue.

If they do decide to reproduce paras verbatim, then:

A) They need to ask the original author/ their legal representatives/ the publishing company for permission

B) They need to highlight/ asterisk the reproduced para (regardless of any credit that may have been given in the prologue) and AGAIN specifically mention on the relevant chapter page, that these paras are sourced from the book.

Do let me know your thoughts.

Cheers...

 
I personally highlight the line taken from a book, and say which book/quote/fanfic its taken from. That is just basic decency and courtesy. I agree with the points stated above.
 
This case doesn't follow that. I contacted some members who haven't been asked for permission before reposting of there work. Which means that this IS plagiarism, and I am as against it as any sane person.


True. That's what I really respect in authors like yourself and Inked, for example. When you use quotes from a famous book, you always highlight it and give the reference, as you rightly said, this is basic courtesy.

I just wish this was uniformly followed by all--like I said, have come across a case by another writer where entire paras (not just a sentence or a quote) were reproduced without any such highlighting.

Frankly this business of plagiarism ruins the enjoyment for everybody, so many awesome writers have stopped because of this and something needs to be done to drill into the heads of the plagiarizers that what they are doing is stealing...

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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 8:38am | IP Logged
The rule we have at this forum at the moment is that copying an entire paragraph or more than a quote is not allowed without the permission of the author. If the author is a published author, then giving credit to the book + author is alright. Another rule that's recently been added from feedback of the members at this forum is that you cannot copy the storyline of a movie, show or book without permission as well even if you add twists in it or not..

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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 10:27am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Angel-Jot.

The rule we have at this forum at the moment is that copying an entire paragraph or more than a quote is not allowed without the permission of the author. If the author is a published author, then giving credit to the book + author is alright. Another rule that's recently been added from feedback of the members at this forum is that you cannot copy the storyline of a movie, show or book without permission as well even if you add twists in it or not..

The entire concept of fanfictions is based on this idea; thus, by this notion, we would have to abolish the practice of writing fanfictions in general on IF.  Correct me if I am being obtuse in my interpretation of what is said above. 

-Devi

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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 12:23pm | IP Logged


well... I think a story "inspired" (and not the same) by a movie it's not bad.. I mean.. most of the fan fictions r inspired by movies but if people write the SAME plot n SAME dialogues, then it's PLAGIARISM...

regarding of members... then I think there is a member who posted the ffs on fb but now her account is banned... 

The problem is getting serious now! 

but if the members post their stories in FB by permission.. then I think there is not should be any problem! Ermm but if they post without (like many times happened n I'm the witness bcoz I saw n then asked to the writers n they don't know nothing) there is a problem! Angry

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Posted: 26 November 2012 at 1:28pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -publicenemy-

Originally posted by Angel-Jot.

The rule we have at this forum at the moment is that copying an entire paragraph or more than a quote is not allowed without the permission of the author. If the author is a published author, then giving credit to the book + author is alright. Another rule that's recently been added from feedback of the members at this forum is that you cannot copy the storyline of a movie, show or book without permission as well even if you add twists in it or not..

The entire concept of fanfictions is based on this idea; thus, by this notion, we would have to abolish the practice of writing fanfictions in general on IF.  Correct me if I am being obtuse in my interpretation of what is said above. 

-Devi

See I completely agree with this and have to say I don't particularly understand the part highlighted in red. The whole concept of a fanfic is that it is based on either a show, book, or movie and generally permission is not required for that. The only time permission is required is when whole chunks are taken out or if the fanfic copies whatever it is supposedly based on word for word. 

So let me give you an example; if I wrote a "fanfic" but wrote the whole of Vampire Diaries from beginning to end without any changes of my own part, just what has been shown then that would be plagiarism (correct me if I'm wrong) but if my fanfic is based on the storyline but I've tweaked it and changed it to my liking and it isn't an exact replica of the actual show then that wouldn't be plagiarism. 

The same goes for a book.

So would we be able to get an elaboration of the part highlighted in red because I think it somewhat contradicts the whole idea of a fanfiction. Do let me know however if my idea is completely wrong too. Embarrassed

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