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Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:02am | IP Logged
Originally posted by debayon

The first religion was atheism, when no one believed in God.Big smile
Human beings have a habit of worshipping something.
so in early times they prayed to the sun, the wind, the moon, the rain, the earth.
during such times there were no religious fights.LOL

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Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:02am | IP Logged
Originally posted by angie.4u

Originally posted by debayon

The first religion was atheism, when no one believed in God.Big smile
In all probability it will also b the last religion of mankind Wink
Yeah, cause we rule!!!LOL

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Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:03am | IP Logged

we ll come back full circle , dont worry LOL History repeats itself , so we'll land up exactly where we began from : ....  civilization.....  !!!Wink



Edited by angie.4u - 18 January 2010 at 10:07am

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Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:13am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by Perfangel5655


hehe Embarrassed aww!
Muslims believe in jesus, just not as God's son but as a prophet.
As for his resurrection and burial there are so many version of it. LOL Everyone is better of believing what his or her religious text says.


What confuses me about Jesus is how come his birthday changes every year. But his deathday is always Friday and his resurrection day is always Sunday.

I'm also confused how the shepherds describe the North Star in the Bible to be in fall ascent, but his birthday actually comes in winter when the Northstar is in post solstice descent.
Apparently Jesus  was born with a  very bright aura and it appeared as if a bright star was shining on him.
The wise men too must have seen the bright aura.
 
yes Good Friday must always fall on a Friday and easter on a monday.LOL

 
I don't know Confused Our religious texts differ on that. So there is no fact on this.

In the bible it seems Jesus was born in summer or fall (can't remember) but Christmas is always celebrated in winter. Most of Christmas customs seem to come from the roman pagan holidays.

@ debayon -- That's where religion comes into play. If you follow any of the 3 monotheistic religions Judaism, Christianity, or Islam then people have believed in God since the second they were on earth.
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Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:59pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Perfangel5655

Originally posted by Summer3

Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by Perfangel5655


hehe Embarrassed aww!
Muslims believe in jesus, just not as God's son but as a prophet.
As for his resurrection and burial there are so many version of it. LOL Everyone is better of believing what his or her religious text says.


What confuses me about Jesus is how come his birthday changes every year. But his deathday is always Friday and his resurrection day is always Sunday.

I'm also confused how the shepherds describe the North Star in the Bible to be in fall ascent, but his birthday actually comes in winter when the Northstar is in post solstice descent.
Apparently Jesus  was born with a  very bright aura and it appeared as if a bright star was shining on him.
The wise men too must have seen the bright aura.
 
yes Good Friday must always fall on a Friday and easter on a monday.LOL

 
I don't know Confused Our religious texts differ on that. So there is no fact on this.

In the bible it seems Jesus was born in summer or fall (can't remember) but Christmas is always celebrated in winter. Most of Christmas customs seem to come from the roman pagan holidays.

@ debayon -- That's where religion comes into play. If you follow any of the 3 monotheistic religions Judaism, Christianity, or Islam then people have believed in God since the second they were on earth.
Smile
Jesus was born in December but there could be a diff on just one day earlier perhaps. But never heard about being born in Summer so far.

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Posted: 20 February 2010 at 6:17am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

Do you think it is high time for people not to be divided by religious distinctions and the idea of calling people Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Bhuddists,  Free thinkers, etc ?
 Even among each religion there are further sub groups etc.
Should we not wake up and grow and treat all religions as ours?
There is too much emphasis given on such distinctions which has not worked well as Religion has become Political these days.
Personally I love to go to whichever place of worship I like and jump from a temple to a mosque to a church etc.
 
Here is an article by the Great Swami Vivekananda.
 
 
 

The Ideal of a Universal Religion


THE IDEAL OF A UNIVERSAL RELIGION

by Swami Vivekananda


    Whatever we experience through our senses is marked by the constant inter-play of opposites, forces of attraction and repulsion or centripetal and centrifugal forces in the external world; or love and hate, or good and evil, in the internal world of our minds. This conflict is particularly marked in the field of religion. Religion expresses itself at three levels, the philosophical, the mythological or historical, and the ritualistic. Each of these three levels is marked by the same conflict of opposites, often taking positions of violent extremes. The greatest harm comes from the fanatic. We may not doubt the sincerity of the fanatic but often he has the irresponsibility of a lunatic. The fanatic is the greatest enemy of mankind.

    Given these cleavages, is the idea of the universal religion realistic or just idealistic ? But behind all these differences, we must recognise a deeper level of commonality that suggests that the universal religion already exists, and is constantly evolving and taking clearer shape. No two persons are exactly alike, yet, despite these differences, there is
a common thread of humanity.

    "If I am sure of anything, it is this humanity, which is common to all .... So it is with the universal religion, which runs through all the various religions of the world in the form of God; it must and does exist through eternity. 'I am the thread that runs through all these pearls... ' (Gita) and each pearl is a religion or even a sect thereof, only the majority of mankind is entirely unconscious of it ....."

      How do we cope with differences ? The only rational way is to accept them, not only
as inevitable, but essential. "One must learn that truth may be expressed in a hundred thousand different ways, and that each of these ways is true as far as it goes. We must learn that the same thing can be viewed from a hundred different standpoints, and yet
be the same thing .... "

    "Suppose we all go with vessels in our hands to draw water from the lake. One has a cup, another a jar, another a bucket, and so forth, and we all fill our vessels. The water
in each case takes the form of the vessel carried by each of us, but in every case, water, and nothing but water is in the vessel..... God is like that water filling these different vessels, and in each vessel, the vision of God comes in the form of the vessel.
Yet He is One......."

    "But is there any way of practically working out this harmony in religions ? ... I have also my little plan ... In the first place, I would ask mankind to recognise the maxim :
'Do not destroy'. Iconoclastic religions do no good to this world...... Secondly, take a
man where he stands, and from there give him a lift. If it be true that God is at the
centre of all religions, and that each of us is moving along one of these radii, then
it is certain that all of us must reach that centre. At the centre, where all radii meet,
all our differences will cease; but until we reach there, differences there must be ...... "

    While the human mind and inclination occur in an innumerable variety, four broad
types of men may be recognised for practical purposes : the man of action, the man of emotion, the mystic or man of spirit, and the philosopher or man of intellect. Religion must offer a path for each type to follow, suited to the nature of each type. Ancient religion in India offered four such paths, known as Karma Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Raja Yoga and Jnana Yoga. These paths transform the selfish to the selfless and lead to Yoga or Union or Realisation of the ultimate Truth.

    "It is imperative that all these Yogas should be carried out in practice. Mere theories about them will not do any good. ... Religion is realisation, not talk, nor doctrine, nor theories, however beautiful they may be. It is being and becoming, not hearing or acknowledging; it is the whole soul becoming changed into what it believes. That is religion

- Swami Vivekananda

 
What can you do when the 'secular' party of India is constantly pushing for reservations based on caste and now religion? Just look at telangana- the people making that demand are muslims, they want reservations as well. 
 
 Are Hindus allowed to have a temple in christian Nagaland? No. Are Hindus allowed to own temple property in Kashmir among sacred sites? No. Are Kshmiri pundits returning to Kashmir cuz it's safe? No.
 
Do we have friendly elements in Pakistan and Bangladesh towards the security of people from other religions today? I think not.
 
Are Tibetans secure from religious persecution by atheists in China? Nope.
 
So, what are you talking about?
 
So, where is our avatar that will rid us from all this evil?? Big smile


Edited by Xinit - 20 February 2010 at 6:21am

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Posted: 20 February 2010 at 8:15am | IP Logged
[QUOTE=Xinit]
 
What can you do when the 'secular' party of India is constantly pushing for reservations based on caste and now religion? Just look at telangana- the people making that demand are muslims, they want reservations as well. 
 
 Are Hindus allowed to have a temple in christian Nagaland? No. Are Hindus allowed to own temple property in Kashmir among sacred sites? No. Are Kshmiri pundits returning to Kashmir cuz it's safe? No.
 
Do we have friendly elements in Pakistan and Bangladesh towards the security of people from other religions today? I think not.
 
Are Tibetans secure from religious persecution by atheists in China? Nope.
 
So, what are you talking about?
 
So, where is our avatar that will rid us from all this evil?? Big smile
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Here the problem as I see it is basically political and religion is just another pawn in the struggle for power and domination. When such is the case it is better than there be no religion and all religion be replaced by morals and ethics.
But who wants to learn morals and education from a Govt that is itself immoral.
Govt is basically run by human beings and most have failings.
The system of government may not be perfect but we can work towards perfecting it.
it is pointless going around blaming all and sundry for imperfections, but there is always some positive contributions we all can do.
 

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Posted: 20 February 2010 at 8:26am | IP Logged

Noo, I dont think so. Every religon has different beliefs, different values, even more, different views on God and how the world came about. And every person should love their religion and what it stands for.

Religion should prevail always and only people should behave as good human which every religion teaches. The world would be at peace then.
 
We dont need to do away with the religions for that but just improve ourselves and our morals, inner self.

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