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Posted: 17 November 2009 at 8:48am | IP Logged
Originally posted by gengarjetty2

Originally posted by gumsum

What is religion in your opinion?
 
 Dr. Peck in his book "The Road less travelled" shares his unique insights on religion and grace --- two concepts that are relevant (and crucial) to enjoying life in our secular world. Speaking with force, he demonstrates how everyone has a religion --- a set of beliefs that defines an understanding of life --- and the cultivation of one's own religion is the key to achieving spiritual and psychological self-fulfillment.
 
Do you agree? Who dictates what you believe in? You or someone else (some books, your birth, your spouse, your mind, your experiences or anything else)? Also do you think it is important to categorize each such set and name it or an individual can practice any religion without being associated with any pre-named sets such as hindu or muslims?
 


the philosophies in life that have been embedded in me through my experiences is what I call religion.

I believe that it is enough to worship a divine power without it having any name or form, considering I have not seen it nor do I wish do go by gods other people have said. being good is my basic philosphy/worship to god and while using it i experienced many things, each which added to my philosophies/religion/worship,(used interchangeably). Smile
Yes rightly spoken. Religion is nothing more than goodness. But the priests and monks and religious teachers will make religions complicated so as to make themselves indispensible.LOL But there are some genuinely good teachers n monks.

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Posted: 19 November 2009 at 9:51pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by gengarjetty2

Originally posted by gumsum

What is religion in your opinion?
 
 Dr. Peck in his book "The Road less travelled" shares his unique insights on religion and grace --- two concepts that are relevant (and crucial) to enjoying life in our secular world. Speaking with force, he demonstrates how everyone has a religion --- a set of beliefs that defines an understanding of life --- and the cultivation of one's own religion is the key to achieving spiritual and psychological self-fulfillment.
 
Do you agree? Who dictates what you believe in? You or someone else (some books, your birth, your spouse, your mind, your experiences or anything else)? Also do you think it is important to categorize each such set and name it or an individual can practice any religion without being associated with any pre-named sets such as hindu or muslims?
 


the philosophies in life that have been embedded in me through my experiences is what I call religion.

I believe that it is enough to worship a divine power without it having any name or form, considering I have not seen it nor do I wish do go by gods other people have said. being good is my basic philosphy/worship to god and while using it i experienced many things, each which added to my philosophies/religion/worship,(used interchangeably). Smile
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Originally posted by return_to_hades

An excerpt from the end credits of religulous. Bill Maher on religion. I'm a fan of his humor. I do not endorse his extreme views, but he has a significant point.

"The irony of religion is that because of its power to divert man to destructive courses, the world could actually come to an end' Plain fact is, religion must die for mankind to live. The hour is getting very late to be able to indulge in having key decisions made by religious people. By irrationalists. By those who would steer the ship of state not by a compass, but by the equivalent of reading the entrails of a chicken. George Bush prayed a lot about Iraq, but he didn't learn a lot about it' Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It's nothing to brag about. And those who preach faith and enable and elevate it are intellectual slaveholders keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction. Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it's wonderful when someone says, "I'm willing, Lord! I'll do whatever you want me to do!" Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions and limitations and agendas' And anyone who tells you they know, they just know what happens when you die, I promise you you don't. How can I be so sure? Because I don't know, and you do not possess mental powers that I do not. The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the big questions is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble, and that's what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a littany of getting shit dead wrong' This is why rational people, anti-religionists, must end their timidity and come out of the closet and assert themselves. And those who consider themselves only moderately religious really need to look in the mirror and realize that the solace and comfort that religion brings you comes at a horrible price' If you belonged to a political party or a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence, and sheer ignorance as religion is, you'd resign in protest. To do otherwise is to be an enabler, a mafia wife, for the true devils of extremism that draw their legitimacy from the billions of their fellow travelers. If the world does come to an end here, or wherever, or if it limps into the future, decimated by the effects of religion-inspired nuclear terrorism, let's remember what the real problem was. We learned how to precipitate mass death before we got past the neurological disorder of wishing for it. That's it. Grow up or die." -Bill Maher

Another stand up Geroge Carlin's view on religion. But he is a bit of a bad mouthed.
This is a very conservative view, I however agree with what he said about doubt. Doubt is what leads to true wisdom, surrendering does not. 

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Posted: 19 November 2009 at 9:54pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

I love my Church, and I'm a Catholic who was raised by intellectuals, who were very devout. I was raised to believe that you could question the Church and still be a Catholic. What is worthy of satire is the misuse of religion for destructive or political gains. That's totally different from the Word, the blood, the body and the Christ. His kingdom is not of this earth. - Steve Colbert on being a Catholic and satiring the church

Religion makes sense to me. I have trouble with dogma more than I have trouble with religion. I think the best thing religion does is give people a sense of place, purpose, and compassion. My quibble with it is when it's described as the only way to have those things instilled. You can be moral and not be religious, you can be compassionate, you can be empathetic'you can have all those wonderful qualities. When it begins to be judged as purely based on religion, then you're suggesting a world where Star Jones goes to heaven but Gandhi doesn't.

Like anything else that's that powerful'that is touching that deep into the epicenter of the human psyche and our fears, it can be misused. I'm probably much more responsive in a bad way to dogma and to extremism than to religion.

When people say things like, "I found God and that helped me stop drinking," I say, "Great! More power to you. Just know that some people stop drinking without it." It's when it gets into the realm of "This is the only way to salvation"'that's when I think, "Okay, now we're getting into a problem."

 - Jon Stewart


Very well said, specially the last one.

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Posted: 19 November 2009 at 9:57pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

Originally posted by gumsum

Originally posted by Summer3

Yes I quite agree that there has been on over emphasis on religious differences rather than similarities which is more important. Spiritiual self satisfaction is most important to earn peace and goodness. I have always liked the fact that there are so many religions. There is nothing worse then people peddling different religions or threatening people and misrepresenting God. It is most important that in practising any religion we do not harm others. Religion should also not be used as an excuse for being lazy.
 
How do you achieve that spiritual satisfaction? Is it important to follow a predefined set of beliefs or you go on inventing your own?
 
Generally we start off by wanting material goods in order to satisfy our worldly desires; after a while we may get tired of it and want something more meaningful and lasting. Yes certain spiritual paths, practices etc are recommended and often after fumbling and learning along the way we get a better insight into things and understand the relationship between Man, God and the universe. Logical sequence has been us intitially gaining Self Satisfacton which then leads to Self Sacrifice and then Self Realisation. Pantajali's eightfold yoga path gives a broad definition but it is meant for persons who has reached a certain level understanding because it starts off by saying that we should have the quality of goodness and also contol our senses; basically to achieve concentration and meditation we need to purify our minds so that there are no distractions.
 
Reading of some good books is also very useful, especially the lives of saints, sages and teachers. After a while even reading of too much such books are discouraged as it may remain only book knowledge, so application of the lessons learnt in our daily lives is recommended.
 
As to predefined set of beliefs I would say that there are no hard and fast rules. But we should not bend the rules for our own selfish purposes of taking advantage of others.
The thing I wonder is where is God, I am a believer that if there is God then its within me, otherwise he is not there. Why do one needs to follow such practices when all one needs to do is try to be pure and in service to human beings in need, is that not sufficient. Or getting pure is so difficult that unless you go through the cleansing process, you can't be cleanConfused

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A religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deitytruth.[1] Religion is commonly identified by the practitioner's prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things, but more generally is interwoven with society and politics. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience.
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