Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_
No one "won" the way, regardless of what you think.
All the Kauravas were dead at the end of the day, The Pandavas lived, that is victory
The Kauravas did not "win" because they were on the side of Adharma (who in their right 'heroic' mind tries to disrobe a menstruating woman? And who sticks up for them?),
If someone behaves like a drunkard elephant, they get treated like a drunkard elephant. What Draupadi inflicted on the Kauravas pretty much made her a fair game.
and the Pandavas did not "win" because they lost every one of their relatives, and regardless of getting the throne, too much blood on both sides had been shed. How can that be called winning?
Well they killed their relatives, they did not lose them😆, pretty much all of them by deceit
The point of the Kurukshetra War was not to determine who "won", but that the evil ones died.
Again evil is decided by who won, The Pandavas and Krishna played in the same game of deceit, now that is not dharma
There were "not so innocent" warriors on the Pandavas' side too, like Dhristadyumna and Drupada along with others. Arjun, Krishna etc😉, Arjun who ended up killing someone who was not in a position to fight . Krishna urging him on
Krishna told Arjuna in the Bhagawad Gita that those who were paapis would be annihalated, and that other innocents, like Abhimanyu, Ghatotkacha, and Draupadi's five sons, would die as well.
Whether the Pandavas were heroes or not, Duryodhana and Karna definitely were not. Krishna is the biggest Hero of Mahabharat, even if you leave aside the fact that he is the avatar of Lord Vishnu.
Yep the hero who created all sorts of decietful ways to get the enemy killed
As for comparing Karna and Krishna....Karna came up with the idea of Dushashana disrobing Draupadi despite knowing it was her "time of month" and Krishna provided her with the endless amount of sari and saved her honor. Who's the hero? See previous notes, If you are willing to dish, better be ready to accept, dont hide behind your womanhood.
I am not denying that Karna was a great daanveer and an overall much better character than the Kauravas, but his telling Dushadhana to disrobe Draupadi greatly decreased his "hero-ness" in my eyes. Only a woman can understand the pain and humiliation Draupadi went through when she, being merely draped in a menstruation-caused soiled cloth, was dragged to the sabha where half the men looked at her with lusty eyes and her husbands offered no protection, as well as the weakling of a King himself.
And what does that make her husbands😉
Leave aside the fact that she married five men. How anyone can call Karna a hero over Krishna after what he nearly caused to Draupadi surprises me.😕
Well Draupadi was the one who insulted him on his race, his jaati all along, how can one call someone to be a woman of any standard who indulges in such blatant racism and inhuman standard
You interpreted the Gita in a totally wrong way, but if that's how you interpreted it, then fine. But for me, the main message of the war is that Where there is Dharma, there is God, and where there is God, there is Victory. Where there is no Dharma, or if someone (like Karna, Bhishma, and Dronacharya) supports Adharma, God will never be on that side regardless of the number of good deeds he did previously, because supporting Adharma erases the good deeds we do.
See you want to debate mythology and scriptures and want also dont want to debate it, if you want to debate,leave aside their "holy grail" status, If you want to follow it blindly then dont bring them into a debate, b'cos for me actions are more important than words, and the actions were as petty as those of the Kauravas. So ......
The ultimate message of Gita is to support God, not a particular side. Support God, Believe in God, and Surrender to God, and victory will be on your side, regardless of the strength or prowess of the other side. The only duty every one has is duty towards God.
And if God tells you to kill someone who is without a weapon, you kill?
Will post some examples from the Gita explaining a person's duty.
Do it if you are willing to leave aside the Holy grail status and discuss it as any other words from someone wise and be willing to debate it without bringing GOD into the discussion😉
Jai Shree Krishna!
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