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Originally posted by angelic_devil

only on paper. if there is no discrimination then y is the ratio of educated women so low? y is it less than men? care to clarify?

The ratio of uneducated women is larger when it comes down to conservative countries, and rural/uneducated population of secular countries - and no one had disagreed with you on that count. When it comes down to the educated population, men and women are educated in equal respect. If you want to claim otherwise, show sources. As it is, you have been asked for sources several times here. Ignoring one's point is no way of getting ahead with a debate. Either show sources, or support your point with logical arguments, or else, withdraw your claim.

Originally posted by angelic_devil

y is the ratio of women in office so low when compared to men?

As had already been pointed out, the ratio isn't so much different when it comes down to the educated, liberal nations. The little difference that exists is mostly due to the fact that women prefers to stay in house (compared with men), and those who do want to apply for jobs, usually go for easier, milder ones, like being a teacher, etc, and no in office. We do NOT live in the age where one is judged based on his/her gender; yes we have few nations and few sects of countries who discriminates against one based on his gender, but that is relatively lower, and now-a-days, most democratic countries treat men and women equally.

Originally posted by angelic_devil

and it all vanishes when it comes to giving rights.

You have made that claim multiple times over here, but you are yet to provide me with any source for it. As it is, either support your point with sources or logics, or else take back your words. Repeating the same things over and over again isn't going to make up your point.

Originally posted by angelic_devil

i will state again then tell me y there r less educated women than men? and less girls in offices and that too t higher posts than men r. u will get ur answers as to how many people want women's liberation.

You have been answered - not once, not twice but several times, and that too, by several members. As had already been pointed out, repeating the same thing over and over again makes no difference. If anything, it shows up how shallow one's arguments and points are.

Originally posted by angelic_devil

well i may say the same for them. this situation is not to be seen as an NRI but from an indian's point of view.there is domestic violence, brides burnt bcoz of dowry. do u think this will all happen if girls r self reliant? and there r many people who do discriminate while giving jobs to women specially in small towns and some times in metros too.

Um, who is denying that such domestic violence do not at all exists? Maybe you should read people's posts and try to grasp their point of view before you start jumping at their throats with your self-absorbed assumptions. Everyone here (at least in this forum) who favors equality amongst sexes. If anything, it was you who claimed the opposite. You are the one who bashed and attacked the ENTIRE male population for whatever happens to women. You have INSULTED the entire male population for discrimination women faces.

Originally posted by angelic_devil

then u should go and Google what discrimination is. then tell me is there no discrimination with women? if there is then reservation is required if there is not then it is not. and i know ur will be that there is discrimination.

Thanks a bunch for the advice; I know it from top to bottom what discrimination is. Which is why I have stated it that sex discrimination does occur in few places (in fact everyone who had debated so far did agree with that point), but that does not mean every male discriminates against women (as you generalized the entire male population of subjugating women).

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Originally posted by angelic_devil

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i havent even started attacking any group bcoz i havent even commented about the treatment of women in the so called very conservative societies where they dont have human rights also, let alone demand for reservations. i have simply been stating facts and arguments. if u and think i was attacking the group then u should have pointed that out in that thread only. y stay mute there?

I was speaking about this VERY thread. As Souro had very well pointed out, your memory seems to be failing. This is what you have stated on your first post:

which is very much expected from them as y would they want to build tough competition for themselves and y would they want to make it tougher for themselves to get jobs. besides y would they want women to stand eye to eye in front of them at home as well as work now?

You have attacked the entire male population as thought they all subjugate women. So DO NOT pretend that you haven't.

Oh, and no, you haven't stated "facts". Not a single one. You have, if anything, stated assumptions and showed us your state of mind.

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Originally posted by angelic_devil

then y is it that there r very less female professionals at the higher level and more at the lower level. Y r they not given bigger responsibilities? And there r many educated people like many on this forums only who do not acknowledge contribution of women towards society. See for IIT and IIM only how many girls actually do get admission there? Actually how many appear at the entrance exam?

Please show your sources where exactly this is happening (assuming both genders are equal in qualification)? How is there "very less" female professionals at the higher levels? We have female doctors, female teachers, female lawyers, female engineers, female scientists, female writers, female presidents. There are certain jobs and works which are best suited for men compared with women, and there are jobs which men are more capable of doing than women. The numbers of female professionals might be lower, compared with men, but this has got more to do with their qualification than social discrimination.and their household matters. This might be a good reason why there are less female professionals compared to male. Furthermore, women are more house-working than men; they would give way more attentions to their offspring,

well this is pure prejudice. i have seen men dallying around in smoking zone like anything, they know more gossip than women do, still women waste time in offices when they fully concentrate and try to finish the target so that they can rush home. for men they dont have to cook food at home so no harm in wasting time and then waiting late. showing the boss they r doing more work. and these r the excuses given at the time of performance appraisal. therefore men get promotions so fast not women. not bcoz theyr r more competent.
this is what u said and there fore i said how it is that women do work equally well but they dont get their share of promotions.

Guess what? Studies and statistics had showed it beyond doubt that both men and women are equally likely to 'miss' their offices and do irrelevant things. It's not only men who indulges into 'smoking zone' or 'gossips'. Neither is it only women. Once again, you are making broader generalization regarding an entire group, without even looking at its full picture.

And yes, you are correct there - one reason why women cannot spend so much time in working outside like men is due to their own works inside their house. This doesn't mean they are chained inside their house. They are voluntarily giving off their time to spend it with their kids, teaching/educating them, cooking, etc.

so whats wrong with that? this shows that women dont get their due in modern offices too not bcoz they r not deserving but bcoz they r not given that bcoz they r purposely not given responsibilities. u see women in all not so lucrative jobs but very few at the top levels.

For the last time, either provide sources to support your viewpoint, or take back your words. Men and women are treated equally in offices in democratic countries. I have seen and know more than enough women who works in higher level.

u mean to say that women work for less than 8-9 hours in the offices? and i think they certainly spend if not more then equal time with children that men do. infact children r still closer to working women than to men. now u r trying to say that women do not give the same quality of work as men do at work place? if we go by that logic, then we should atleast have single women at the top positions but we dont have that too.first of all i dont agree to this logic only. women sacrifice their family life to work. they also work for 8 hrs and so does men and also give same quality of output. so what base u have of saying that women cannot do ethings eqally well i dont know after agreeing all this time that women r good at multi tasking.

Women are good at multi-tasking just as men are. If you think a women can equally raise his children and work in her office, with the same dedication, then men, too, can work in offices and raise children. Yeah, I know, many are going to bite their teeth at my words, but if it is possible for a women to work outside and yet raise their children properly (something they are best at), why can a man not do the same?

so dont twist what i said and what i did not.

No one's twisting your words. You have been quoted words to words. And you have been shown to be wrong, and in some case, right down discriminatory, with your very words.

so what is wrong with that? i asked u y there is less presence of women at top level of management. and u said that it happens bcoz they dont work for longs hours and move around too much. which is actually a very lame excuse for intentional discrimination.

this i what u said.

You have been answered that multiple times. And yet, you seem to be begging for an answer (the one which would fit your state of mind; sort of like "Keep answering the question, until when you answer what I want you to!". For the last time, you should stop that.

whats wrong in this?

Except that, that just 'freeing' the education for a particular gender (female) and not for the other (male) is right down discriminating. If you cannot see it, then honestly, I have nothing further to add.

when did i say that give only reservation and no education. i am telling to give free education and reservation for women.

For what reason? Men/women both should be granted free education, or one at all. That's discriminatory, pure and simple.

now u r putting words in my mouth. i not in any of posts said to give a masters degree job to a 12th pass. i am for free or subsidised education for women, especially in rural areas and give them jobs accordingly. no is so dumb to put a person 12th pass in a job of an MD. only chauvinist men can do that not women.

Anyone can do that, actually. It has and is founded out that men/women cheat and does equal amount of immoral and chauvinistic acts. It's not only men. It's not only women. So, for the love of Jesus, stop trying to put women in the highest pedestal, and men in the lowest. Both are equal footing, why discriminate against men only?

so? giving reservation will take away a part of the seats for which men can contest forso natually there is insecurity among them. they dont want to make things tough for them which is very much logical.

And that's justifiable. Why would the right of a men, who had worked hard, be taken away for women who haven't done anything, but achieved everything through "reservation"? Do you realize how discriminatory and unfair that is? How would you have felt if the same was done for men, i.e. giving seats to men for reservation, and hard-working women being left off? But oh, of course, that would have been "discriminatory", but when the same is being done in favor of women, then it is all "fair", no?. *roll eyes*

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Originally posted by souro

Of course it will infuriate you. How come not everyone is so weak to play the victim and ask for favours. Everyone should conform with your ideas, afterall you have decided in your mind that women are superior and men are of no use. Men are stupid, cunning and they are out to get all the jobs in the world. They deserve everything bad.

Equality is definitely not on your mind, why do we need to look any further. Someone who believes in equality won't be supporting reservations and undue favours.
And haven't you spoken enough about how superior women are with their special abilities and how men only waste time at work by gossiping at the smoking zone. Not the ideal person lecturing others about equality.

Very well pointed out. Clap

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Originally posted by angelic_devil

dont infuriate me Angry

and certainly dont provoke me.

I quoted a statement I preferred. As a member, I have that right. If you cannot hold a debate without getting emotional, then do not even bother yourself responding.

And no, I haven't got the power to 'infuriate' or 'provoke' someone with my words. It was you who had done that to yourself.

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