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Posted: 17 August 2009 at 9:11am | IP Logged
Originally posted by sita11

thanks rajnish !!!
yeah !!! its ok if u dont want to discuss
 
raj told that radha remained un-married in her life as LAKSHMAIJI cannot marry anyone else except LORD VISHNU !!!!
 
so RADHAJI remained a spinster in her life !!!!


No, radha was married to Krishna Its mentioned in some book like Brahm vaivrat puran and Garg shamhita. She was married to krishna in a forest where brahmaji did the roll of priest in the marriage. there is also mentioning that radha was married to some other man, actully it was radha shadow who married that man and Radha married krishnaEmbarrassed

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Posted: 17 August 2009 at 9:23am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Rajnish_Kumar

Originally posted by sita11

but why radha is not mentioned in shri Bhagwatam ???


Yes sita di the name of Radha not even one's appeared in bhagwatam and Mahabharat. The two of the most important scriptures on Krishna. ones again different ppl have different   Believe which  I don't like to discuss here again as I remember ones in MB forum the similar debate turned into argument which continued for a year Shocked and well three mythological serial forum became a part of its argument and fight. So I don't want to offend anyone knowingly or unknowingly. Anyways do you know whom radharani married ? Big smile


You are right Rajnish..it is not mentioned in Srimad Bhagwad..but it is mentioned in Brahma vaivarta Puran and Padma puran...
Krishna and creation of the universe

Brahma Vaivarta Purana declares Krishna to be the supreme God,(para-Brahman) who lives in Golok and who with Rasesvari (Radha) has created this universe. They are married by Brahma. All Vedas and related scriptures mention the para-Brahman to be the supreme God but this Purana specifies that this supreme god is Krishna. He created the trinity of Brahma, Vishnuand Shiva, whose responsibility is the creation, preservation and destruction of universe respectively. This Purana takes a view on the creation that is slightly different to other Puranas. The fully developed legend of Radhaand Krishna appears in both the Narada-pancaratra and the this Purana.

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Posted: 17 August 2009 at 10:13am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Rajnish_Kumar

Originally posted by sita11

thanks rajnish !!!
yeah !!! its ok if u dont want to discuss
 
raj told that radha remained un-married in her life as LAKSHMAIJI cannot marry anyone else except LORD VISHNU !!!!
 
so RADHAJI remained a spinster in her life !!!!


No, radha was married to Krishna Its mentioned in some book like Brahm vaivrat puran and Garg shamhita. She was married to krishna in a forest where brahmaji did the roll of priest in the marriage. there is also mentioning that radha was married to some other man, actully it was radha shadow who married that man and Radha married krishnaEmbarrassed
oh yes !!! i mean RADHAJI never got married to anyone else
& yes this marriage of RADHA-KRISHNA in a forest was shown in this JAI SHRI KRISHNa show
dhriti (baby KRISHNA) & baby radha were married & BRAHMAJI & other devtaas were present at their marriage !!!
 
sanchita ,even made a creation out of this RADHA-KRISHNA marriage episode !!!Tongue

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Originally posted by set_raj

Uddhava, the apprentice of Krishna, one day expressed his dis-satisfaction to Krishna that in-spite of studying all Vedas ,Upnishadas and Sutras, he still was not recipient of the title "Maha-Rishi", meaning the great sage. He indirectly suggested that Krishna should use his weight in the council of wise men to honor him with the title.

Krishna sensed the ego and pride of Uddhava. He smiled and asked Uddhava if he thought his study was complete. Uddhava answered a confident yes. Krishna did not say anything. He just told Uddhava to come and see him the next day.

The next day Krishna asked him a for a favor. He asked Uddhava to visit Vrindavan, where Krishna's soul mate Radha resided, and to give her a message. Uddhava gladly agreed. After all, getting to do a special assignment for no one else but Krishna, the divine one, was an honor. When he was ready to leave, Krishna smiled and waved him goodbye. Uddhava asked about the message and Krishna said he had none.

Uddhava was surprised. He sat in chariot and started on his way, but he could not help wonder what would be Radha's reaction. He was sure Radha would be very angry at this. He did not want to see a problem in Radha and Krishna's relationship. So just before he entered Vrindavan, he got a parch-paper and wrote a hi-hello message to Radha and forged to look like it came from Krishna.

On reaching Vrindavan, he did not have problem finding Radha's house. She gave him a warm welcome. After he settled, he handed over the message, hoping she would not examine the message in too much detail.

For a moment Radha stared at the parch-paper and then she started laughing hysterically. Uddhava was confused. He asked Radha what was the matter. She said the message Krishna wrote was funny. Uddhava pretended surprise and asked what was the message.

"The message says Uddhava's study is still not complete." replied Radha.

On listening this, Uddava was stunned.

'How could she have known this?' he wondered.

Radha calmed him down.

"I love Krishna and trust Krishna in ways beyond you can imagine." She said "We are two bodies but same soul. There is nothing to be said in between us. We have walked the path of trust, love, devotion and sacrifices for so long that there are no boundaries in my being and his. He does not need to send me messages. He is my message. He is my love letter from the universe."

"But Uddhava, you have not learned to trust Krishna. You have not learned to give up your self, your ego, and stop your manipulating mind. You ego stands between you and the truth. Between you and the supreme awakening."

"Erasing the sense of duality and being one with the universe, being one with the one who beholds universe, is this not the jist of the sacred ancient texts, Uddhava?"

Uddhava was speechless. Within a minute, Radha had explained the the deepest mysteries of life. He just wanted to stand there and listen.

He spent the whole day at her house. She talked about life in layman's terms of love and truth. But Uddhava found answers to his most profound questions in philosophies he learned all this life.

"How did you get so much knowledge staying in this village and living life doing chores?" He asked.

"Each moment makes you take sides. If you always take side of truth and love, you will gain insights. Each insight awakens you from the illusion and takes you a step closer to the supreme awakening."

"How can you be in Love with Krishna and still remain free from bonds of life ?"

"There is distinction between the love that results from insecurity and the love that results from faith. The former results in bonds. The later results in freedom. The former gets lost, the later transcends. The former leads to fear of death and abandonment. The later leads to Nirvana, to enlightenment that is death of death, to realization that Radha and Krishna are just ripples and love is like the water, eternal and infinite."

"How can you get awakened without leaving the society and becoming a monk?"

"Where a man reaches by renouncing the world, a woman reaches by embracing the world in its wholeness." Said Radha.

"Is there no point in pursuit of knowledge? Then what is the meaning of life?"

"Your ability to give it any meaning, is the meaning of life. " Answered Radha. "And about the pursuits, pursuit of currency is not the same as pursuit of wealth, pursuit of sensation is not pursuit of happiness, pursuit of titles is not pursuit of knowledge. These pursuits are in synergy for some time, and they are at conflict later. You must wake up, and open your eyes."

Radha's answers turned all of Uddhavas learning upside down and inside out and presented to him as a paradox, a paradox his doubting mind could never grasp. Uddhava's ego surrendered. The constant chatter of thoughts at the back of his mind stopped and he saw a totally new world at the same place. An eternal, peaceful world where everything seemed OK.

On his way back to Dwaraka, Uddhava sensed a big change within him. He sang to himself. He offered lift to a sick man. He appreciated the sunset in the Western sky. He did not feel rush to get home and work on getting his title.

Next day he met Krishna. Krishna sensed the change too.

Krishna smiled and said "So let's talk about your title Maha-rishi."

"I am not that interested in the title anymore. " replied Uddhava and bent to touch Krishna's feet.

Krishna rose from his throne. He hold on to Uddhava's shoulders and smiled at him.

" Your journey is complete. You have arrived. Uddhava, I bestow you the responsibility of writing down my teaching in simple language for all those who do not have luxury of spending their life trying to be Maha-rishi. You will share the gems of knowledge that do not belong to any title such as Maha-rishi. "

"And for this great contribution to humanity, hereafter you shall be known as Maha-rishi."

thanks for this story raj
so RADHAJI broke the pride (the ahnakaar) of UDHAVJI !!!!Tongue
 
LORD KRISHNA sensed pride immediately from the talks of UDHAVJI !!! & broke his pride thru RADHAJI
 
so finally UDHAVJI became MAHARISHI when his pride was broken !!!!Clap
 
i dont understand one thing that when durwasa rishi was such short tempered rishi & most of the times he was always proud !!!ConfusedOuchthen how cum he was a maha rishi ???(just curious to know)


Edited by sita11 - 17 August 2009 at 10:24am

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The Hare Krishna mantraalso directs one's attention and devotion to Radha as well as Krishna. Radha is also known as Mother Hara, which is the name Hare in the vocative form within the mantra. So in chanting Hare Krishna, we are first approaching the Lord's internal potency and asking Radha to please engage us in the service of Lord Krishna. Concentrating on Krishna through His names is one form of that service. In other words, it is through Radha that one more easily attains Krishna and service to Krishna. This is the advantage of approaching Lord Krishna through Radharani.

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Originally posted by sita11

Originally posted by set_raj

Uddhava, the apprentice of Krishna, one day expressed his dis-satisfaction to Krishna that in-spite of studying all Vedas ,Upnishadas and Sutras, he still was not recipient of the title "Maha-Rishi", meaning the great sage. He indirectly suggested that Krishna should use his weight in the council of wise men to honor him with the title.

Krishna sensed the ego and pride of Uddhava. He smiled and asked Uddhava if he thought his study was complete. Uddhava answered a confident yes. Krishna did not say anything. He just told Uddhava to come and see him the next day.

The next day Krishna asked him a for a favor. He asked Uddhava to visit Vrindavan, where Krishna's soul mate Radha resided, and to give her a message. Uddhava gladly agreed. After all, getting to do a special assignment for no one else but Krishna, the divine one, was an honor. When he was ready to leave, Krishna smiled and waved him goodbye. Uddhava asked about the message and Krishna said he had none.

Uddhava was surprised. He sat in chariot and started on his way, but he could not help wonder what would be Radha's reaction. He was sure Radha would be very angry at this. He did not want to see a problem in Radha and Krishna's relationship. So just before he entered Vrindavan, he got a parch-paper and wrote a hi-hello message to Radha and forged to look like it came from Krishna.

On reaching Vrindavan, he did not have problem finding Radha's house. She gave him a warm welcome. After he settled, he handed over the message, hoping she would not examine the message in too much detail.

For a moment Radha stared at the parch-paper and then she started laughing hysterically. Uddhava was confused. He asked Radha what was the matter. She said the message Krishna wrote was funny. Uddhava pretended surprise and asked what was the message.

"The message says Uddhava's study is still not complete." replied Radha.

On listening this, Uddava was stunned.

'How could she have known this?' he wondered.

Radha calmed him down.

"I love Krishna and trust Krishna in ways beyond you can imagine." She said "We are two bodies but same soul. There is nothing to be said in between us. We have walked the path of trust, love, devotion and sacrifices for so long that there are no boundaries in my being and his. He does not need to send me messages. He is my message. He is my love letter from the universe."

"But Uddhava, you have not learned to trust Krishna. You have not learned to give up your self, your ego, and stop your manipulating mind. You ego stands between you and the truth. Between you and the supreme awakening."

"Erasing the sense of duality and being one with the universe, being one with the one who beholds universe, is this not the jist of the sacred ancient texts, Uddhava?"

Uddhava was speechless. Within a minute, Radha had explained the the deepest mysteries of life. He just wanted to stand there and listen.

He spent the whole day at her house. She talked about life in layman's terms of love and truth. But Uddhava found answers to his most profound questions in philosophies he learned all this life.

"How did you get so much knowledge staying in this village and living life doing chores?" He asked.

"Each moment makes you take sides. If you always take side of truth and love, you will gain insights. Each insight awakens you from the illusion and takes you a step closer to the supreme awakening."

"How can you be in Love with Krishna and still remain free from bonds of life ?"

"There is distinction between the love that results from insecurity and the love that results from faith. The former results in bonds. The later results in freedom. The former gets lost, the later transcends. The former leads to fear of death and abandonment. The later leads to Nirvana, to enlightenment that is death of death, to realization that Radha and Krishna are just ripples and love is like the water, eternal and infinite."

"How can you get awakened without leaving the society and becoming a monk?"

"Where a man reaches by renouncing the world, a woman reaches by embracing the world in its wholeness." Said Radha.

"Is there no point in pursuit of knowledge? Then what is the meaning of life?"

"Your ability to give it any meaning, is the meaning of life. " Answered Radha. "And about the pursuits, pursuit of currency is not the same as pursuit of wealth, pursuit of sensation is not pursuit of happiness, pursuit of titles is not pursuit of knowledge. These pursuits are in synergy for some time, and they are at conflict later. You must wake up, and open your eyes."

Radha's answers turned all of Uddhavas learning upside down and inside out and presented to him as a paradox, a paradox his doubting mind could never grasp. Uddhava's ego surrendered. The constant chatter of thoughts at the back of his mind stopped and he saw a totally new world at the same place. An eternal, peaceful world where everything seemed OK.

On his way back to Dwaraka, Uddhava sensed a big change within him. He sang to himself. He offered lift to a sick man. He appreciated the sunset in the Western sky. He did not feel rush to get home and work on getting his title.

Next day he met Krishna. Krishna sensed the change too.

Krishna smiled and said "So let's talk about your title Maha-rishi."

"I am not that interested in the title anymore. " replied Uddhava and bent to touch Krishna's feet.

Krishna rose from his throne. He hold on to Uddhava's shoulders and smiled at him.

" Your journey is complete. You have arrived. Uddhava, I bestow you the responsibility of writing down my teaching in simple language for all those who do not have luxury of spending their life trying to be Maha-rishi. You will share the gems of knowledge that do not belong to any title such as Maha-rishi. "

"And for this great contribution to humanity, hereafter you shall be known as Maha-rishi."

thanks for this story raj
so RADHAJI broke the pride (the ahnakaar) of UDHAVJI !!!!Tongue
 
LORD KRISHNA sensed pride immediately from the talks of UDHAVJI !!! & broke his pride thru RADHAJI
 
so finally UDHAVJI became MAHARISHI when his pride was broken !!!!Clap
 
i dont understand one thing that when durwasa rishi was such short tempered rishi & most of the times he was always proud !!!ConfusedOuchthen how cum he was a maha rishi ???(just curious to know)
Sita sometimes Knowledge or too much Gyaan makes person proud, so most of the Rishis, Maharishi used to be egoist, rpoud cos of Gyaan...Gyaan is must, but alongwith one must have Love and Devotion too, Gopis dint had gyaan but they achieved what many sages cannot inspite of hundreds of years of prayers and meditation....it was sheer Love and Bhakti which took gopis ot gokuldham...
 
Krishna doesnt like a person shud be proud, you know whats the food of God?....Pride and Ego...he breaks the pride and ego of man..look at Hrinyakashyap, Raja Bali, Ravan, Kumbhkaran, Kans, Banasur etc..list is endless...thts the reason Krishna also broke the pride of Durvasa..cos he considered himself to be Mahagyaani..

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Wow, thanks for the GREAT info and stories on Radha Krishna, Set Raj! And thanks for the different version of the story, Rajnish!Big smile It was truly great reading these stories, thanks so much!Tongue Radha and Krishna, Rukmini and Krishna, & Sita and Ram are the greatest examples of pure and true love in history.Smile No love stories can match the stories of their pure and eternal love.Smile
 
Originally posted by Rajnish_Kumar

Originally posted by sita11

thanks raj for this info
so all the wives of LORD KRISHNA were so jealous of RADHAJI
i think only rukminiji was not jealous as both Radha-rukmini were godess Lakshmi's avatar !!!!
 
thanks for the panchaamrit story & the holi story !!!

Rukmani was avtar of lakshmi and radharani was avtar of radharani itself, radha was there in golok before dwaparyuga and is eternally there. though if we do ultimate analysis they are one and the same but still there are littile difference.
 
When you said radharani was the avatar of radharani itself, what do you mean? Isn't radharani an avatar of Lakshmi, or was she a different goddess?
 
The way I understood, I think it is similar to Padmavathi, the 2nd consort of Lord Venkateshwara. She is the avatar of Vedavati (who is in turn the avatar of Goddess Lakshmi), but she is also seen as a rival to Goddess Lakshmi.Confused

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Originally posted by desichica

oh i read somewhere same thing....that Radha and Rukhmani are one....representing Laxmi ma!!!! Also i read that Laxmi ma has different forms as well...and that all the ladies that Lord Krishna married were forms of MahaLaxmi!!!!!  So, my question is....was Laxmi ma's forms jealous of eachother, except Radha dn Rukhmani....i'm a bit confused
 
I too read that Radha and Rukmini were avatars of Lakshmi (Lakshmi incarnated herself twice because Radha could not marry Krishna, so she married Krishna through another avatar as his supreme queen), and I read somewhere else that Radhaji was the incarnation of the Supreme Goddess Lakshmi (like Sitaji), while the 8 queens of Krishna were the incarnations of the Ashta Lakshmis.
 
Either way, I don't really think the wives of Shri Krishna were jealous of each other, because jealousy is one of the simple human traits which the wives of Lord Krishna himself could not really have had. How could the wives of one such as Lord Krishna have such simple human feelings like jealousy or anger? I think any stories of jealousy we read about are only an act on the parts of Shri Krishna's wives, to teach us moral lessons.
 
For example, the story of Shri Krishna Tulabhaaram (where Satyabhama tried to win Shri Krishna for herself, but in the end, Rukmini won out of her devotion for Krishnaji) teaches us that true devotion only can win the Lord's love, not any amount of gold or money.  

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