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Originally posted by PhoeniXof_Hades

Originally posted by clodpolish

Cannot science be a religion?


Nope. Because religion is based on Faith, and nothing but solely on Faith. Science is based on factual or theoretical evidences, known facts, reasons and logics. Science is the study of the cosmos through rational means, religion is the description and overview of it, from only one's (as it claims) perspective. Granted that a little bit of logic plays part in religions, just as faith plays a part in science, but the amount is way too much small to equate them as the same. One could be said to complement each other, but equating them as equal is just out of bound.

Someone has faith in logics and reasoning. Where does that place him?

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Posted: 16 July 2009 at 10:16pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by PhoeniXof_Hades

Originally posted by clodpolish

Cannot science be a religion?


Nope. Because religion is based on Faith, and nothing but solely on Faith. Science is based on factual or theoretical evidences, known facts, reasons and logics. Science is the study of the cosmos through rational means, religion is the description and overview of it, from only one's (as it claims) perspective. Granted that a little bit of logic plays part in religions, just as faith plays a part in science, but the amount is way too much small to equate them as the same. One could be said to complement each other, but equating them as equal is just out of bound.

Moreover , separately, is religion really based only on faith and faith for everyone? Its more than just "little bit of logics" i feel.



Edited by clodpolish - 16 July 2009 at 10:17pm

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I would say that Science itself can be a religion. A large part of science is absolutely and completely based on faith. A sense of faith, that the truth is out there. The facts of science, come after a leap of faith known as a hypothesis. Today we can travel twenty thousand leagues under the sea or fly to the moon. But back in the day Jules Verne and Herge were not intellectuals, rationalists or even scientists. They were dreamers, dreamers who believed in a dream that was absolutely and totally an impossibility in their times. In fact these dreams were nothing but leaps of faith, that were irrational and absurd and stupid in their times.

Religion may display faith in an attempt to explain how we got here. Science displays faith into infinity, and where we will go. Religion likes to believe that some super being created us all. Science likes to believe that we are super beings that may someday create the terminators, the USS enterirpise or maybe even a death star.

And religion kind of is like science fiction as one website (cannot remember which) out there puts it. Now pardon my insensitive humor here. The Torah is like the first part. The New Testament is the sequel. The Quran retcons everything like it never happened. Mormoms liked part two so much they created an alternate universe based on it.
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Originally posted by PhoeniXof_Hades

Originally posted by clodpolish

Someone has faith in logics and reasoning. Where does that place him?



Faith as in what sense? You can rely on logics and reasoning. You can have 'faith' (NOT 'Faith' with the capital 'F') in them as in you can depend on them. Having religious 'Faith' in them would make them cease to be 'logics' and 'reasoning' on the first place, because on that way one would be using way too much emotions instead of facts.

There is some sort of confusion in the way you have put this but i think i do get your point.

Personally speaking, facts are nothing ! its the way you interpret them that converts them into something significant. Now , see, nothing is ideal ! Having faith in logic and rationale doesn't mean you are not allowed to have faith in "something" which defies all logics ! Why not just try to prove that "something" which you believe in(allegedly irrationally) logically and rationally than believe in it without any contradictions?

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I'd say science and religion coexist like a married couple where the husband-wife are always arguing over every little thing. But at the same time they can't stay away from each other.  LOL

Originally posted by return_to_hades



And religion kind of is like science fiction as one website (cannot remember which) out there puts it. Now pardon my insensitive humor here. The Torah is like the first part. The New Testament is the sequel. The Quran retcons everything like it never happened. Mormoms liked part two so much they created an alternate universe based on it.


Let me add: the first part was really a sort of crossover/reimagining of Semitic and Zoroastrian cultures, the latter being a spin-off from the subcontinent. LOL


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