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Morgoth

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Posted: 17 May 2009 at 12:22pm | IP Logged
what silly judgment! the simplest thing to do would be to cut off the allowance. i understand that some women can be really thoughtless with money, but slapping is completely out of the question.

Originally posted by DM01

It's got everything to do with religion when a country bases its laws on religious texts. Saudi implements sharia, some may argue that it's not actually sharia, but it is their interpretation of sharia, and sharia is based on the Quran and Hadeeths.<br><br>And the Quran does make it permissible to beat your wife under certain circumstances, let's face it, these religions were made up by people in an era where women had very little rights, and this is evident in religious scriptures.<br>


exactly.

saudi arabian sharia is based on the salafi/wahhabi school of thought, which is the strictest form of islamic jurisprudence, even more than what was necessarily practised at the time of the prophet muhammad.


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Posted: 17 May 2009 at 12:47pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by sam_84

Originally posted by *Woh Ajnabee*



Sure, but let's not accuse of all of the Muslim majority of committing domestic violence, or I'll have to start a whole new topic on that.
 
agree with u!
 
bcoz if we open the book of domestic violence in USA, india where majority are non-muslims...it wud be embarassing for everybody LOL


Yeah judges in these countries are not encouraging domestic violence... how embarassing.

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Posted: 17 May 2009 at 3:24pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Believe

Originally posted by *Woh Ajnabee*

I don't see what religion has to do with any of this. Why can't we ever look past religion and look into the eyes of morality so that all of humankind stands at one level? Which religion preaches domestic violence? What faith permits a man to raise his hand on women?
 
I agree with ur thoughts wojiSmile

 
The fact is One in three women may suffer from abuse and violence in her lifetime. This is an appalling human rights violation...every religion contempt these kind of acts....Smile


Totally agree. Thumbs Up

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Posted: 17 May 2009 at 3:28pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by DM01

Originally posted by *Woh Ajnabee*

I don't see what religion has to do with any of this. Why can't we ever look past religion and look into the eyes of morality so that all of humankind stands at one level? Which religion preaches domestic violence? What faith permits a man to raise his hand on women?

These so-called judges who are asked to give justice are just fools who can't see right from wrong themselves. Perhaps when they say that the law is blind, they really mean that the people making and enforcing these laws are blind.

They hide in the silhouettes of religion to hide their crime against humanity, to hide under the veil of faith, unable to see that it is religion itself that is being sworn in injustice here.

I don't understand why anyone, Muslim or Non-Muslim, would even attempt to justifiy this action - what is wrong is wrong, and to those Muslims who accept this as a part of their faith, I'd just like to advise them to pick the Quran and actually read it for once, this is not what your faith preaches.

And to those clever ones out there who bring out hadith, to demean Islam's intention, I'd just like to advise that they should look into the meaning of a hadith - how not all records can be trusted, how they are conveyed conversations/events put into writing, and how a whole religion cannot be held upon one statement that may or may not have been uttered.  


It's got everything to do with religion when a country bases its laws on religious texts.  Saudi implements sharia, some may argue that it's not actually sharia, but it is their interpretation of sharia, and sharia is based on the Quran and Hadeeths.

And the Quran does make it permissible to beat your wife under certain circumstances, let's face it, these religions were made up by people in an era where women had very little rights, and this is evident in religious scriptures.



You said it yourself - it is not sharia that makes these judgments, it is their interpretation of the scripture that makes these judgments.

And the Quran does not make it permissible for a husband to beat his wife ---- let's do a little bit of reading before we go all out and make such harsh generalizations.

As far as when these religions originated, etc., it is not the origin of the religion that matters, but rather the origin of the faith -- and that comes from within. We each have common sense implemented within our brains, I say let's use it for once.

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Posted: 17 May 2009 at 5:24pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by DM01



I never said that, and I think I didn't make myself clear enough in the last post.  There is no unanimous consensus on Sharia in the Islamic community, what we have are different interpretations of Sharia, no interpretation is more "correct" or "incorrect" than another, because all interpretations are derived from the same sources.

Perhaps, but interpretation is the key. You can interpret the scripture one way and deny the teachings of that faith. I can interpret it another way and believe upon its teachings. So I think that there is a 'correct' and an 'incorrect' interpretation - what is my interpretation may not be your's.

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." - Quran 004.034

Like I said, women were considered more like slaves in those times.

Yes, but that doesn't mean that they should be treated like that then. And it doesn't mean that just because it was done then it is permissible in the religion.

Common sense takes a back seat when it comes to religion.  The problem with faith in a God that dictates how humans should live and how they should be governed, is that it produces societies like Saudi Arabia.

If people really started applying common sense to religion, then more and more people will start leaving
religion, but unfortunately, years and years of religious indoctrination is very hard to break.

Perhaps, but Saudi Arabia should not symbolize Islam. Islam is a separate entity of its own - Saudi Arabia hides under Islam's veil --- many of their practices are culture and not religious as they claim it to be.

If people start applying common sense to religion, this world will be a better place. It is because people think common sense and religion can't go hand in hand that we have the occurrence of such events.


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Posted: 17 May 2009 at 6:51pm | IP Logged
Btw, I am still baffled with your opening statement: "There is no use of common sense in Rules & guidelines set by religion", care to clarify it?

Peace.

Exactly! Being a believer, I would like to believe God gave everyone a rational brain to think, to reason, to analyze and judge, hence anyone saying anything otherwise from any religious text shouldn't be looked upon as a 'grave sin' or anything of that sort. If God wanted us to worship him like a computerized program, he would have made us that way, i.e. a robot let's say. But he didn't. As you stated God gave us a 'healthy mind' to know about all these, I think it is quiet okay to analyze religious texts. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, and as far as I am aware of, God loves the one who searches for knowledge, than them who embrace blind faith
 
I read your point of view regarding the faith, believe and about the way to follow religion....why its difficult for you to understand the above statement given by me..... ?

Majority of the muslims believe to follow thee commandments of Almighty Allah blindly b/c we belive that the book(Quran) of my Allah is the only book on the earth which give us the guidelines to humanity with the help of the life of my Nabi(saw) or ahaadees to build the character, society, ethics, country law etc etc...for us all aspect of life are associated with the Quran and Hadees...

What your mind says about the changing of day into night and night into day? What common sense say about the development of a baby by the small drop of water inside the mother? wht science say about the growing of plants from the hard surface?

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Posted: 18 May 2009 at 1:02am | IP Logged
Originally posted by DM01


"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." - Quran 004.034

Like I said, women were considered more like slaves in those times.

The bolded parts can have different interpretations !  & what happens when women R maintainers & spend from their property? R they permitted to slap the men in that case? Does Quran mention anything about that or did such a situation not exist back then when it was written. If that is the case then it shows that the religious scriptures can get outdated & need to have fresh editions keeping with the present context & times.

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Posted: 18 May 2009 at 10:55am | IP Logged
it is not okay to slap ur wife....no way...criminal offence


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