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aap to kisi aur hi mitti ke bane ho
You should think about us commoners too who are a load on this earth
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they should either keep the child or give it up for adoption.
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well I've already given my views in my previous post but in reality when you are faced with real people with real cases in real situations, the whole matter pertaining to abortion ceases to be as clear cut as any answer put forward by anyone on this forum....
...just a simple real case which ironically is so common that it got repeated by another being......two of my very good firends got pregnant by accident due to unprotective sex.....now they wouldn't want to face the wrath of their respective parents and families,.....nor the humiliation of the society or peer groups.....being very young with no prospect of getting married so soon in the near future!....and most certainly not ready emotinally nor psychologically to be single mom!!!!....so what's left as the only option?!!....abortion, of course!...(i'm not relating to the western permissive society here as their codes of conduct stem from a completely different perception of life within their own realms of minds and concepts in general)
Did I condemn them as per my beliefs?.....well i did in my heart (not hypocritically though since they were made aware of my thoughts) however,their deeds did not lessen our bonds of friendship but rather strengthen them....i do condemn the act of killing that innocent life as a corrective measure to erase a wrong action .....so eventually two wrongs were committed at one time by these two girls just to abide by the rules of society and as the only best solution perceived to resolve this 'unwanted' problem.....no one ever gave a thought about the unborn child afterwards but I'm sure my friends have never ever forgotten the wrongful acts they committed due to their disregard about not believing or being strong enough to draw the line at the right time!....
I can't blame them for who they are....I love them with their flaws as after all it's human to err!....
I stood through thick and thin by my friends during this traumatic phase of their lives constantly blaming themselves for such horrendous mistakes (sometimes I wonder why do girls always take the full blame when it is clearly a case of two hands clapping!..well anyway that is another issue altogether)....as a friend, I couldn't bear to see the sufferings and distraught they had to go through and was always there to give my full support in favour of their happiness and health.....was i wrong in supporting them with their decisions? NO.. not as a true friend and a human being would do under such circumstances... but YES!personally,in my own conscience, I was also part of this misdeed in supporting them to put an end to innocent budding lives......
I would have done the same thing too in their places with all beliefs and principles thrown out to the wind....BUT the only difference is that I believe in prevention rather than hunting down for last minute cure which will surely fail due to such absence of mind on my part.....in otherwords i would certainly not find myself in their shoes because I know FOR A BIG FACT that I would never put myself at the root of such a predicament in the first place!....(and second thoughts if I did, I wouldn't let society ruled over my conscience and forced me to commit another wrong just to saveguard my honour or my family's for that matter....but then YET again another complex related problem...my parents' feelings and opinions....my dad is VERY orthodox and do girls have much of a say in that case?.....but thankfully though! having such a deep rooted rational sense strongly instilled in my nature that to shake if off me would be akin to losing my own identity!
Each individual is born with varying strengths of characters and convictions.....it actually doesn't matter what you believe in but rather how successful and perceptive you turn out to be without losing touch with your own sense of integrity .....if we don't draw the lines somewhere, they will be drawn for us by life at some point of time!.....
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I am not getting it that why are people constantly bringing up religious matters to justify their position or attack the opposition's.
I know you did not direct this to me, but I wanted to shed my perception on why religion ends up coming in. Abortion and similar social issues deal a lot with the philosophy of morality. When dealing with the subject we start critically thinking what is right and wrong. Most people are taught these moral concepts through religion. Family passes on the ethics and morals through the concept of God and religion. So most people incorrectly believe that religion and morality are inherently connected. However, morality is a social and human science. Religious morality is just one aspect of morality. The problem is that people are familiar and comfortable with religious morality. Often times we absorb the morals taught by parents and religion, without really thinking them through. That is why they tend to use religion as a justification.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with religious morality. In fact there are logical and philosophical roots to many religious morals. However, it is utmost important that people think their moral beliefs through. What is it that we believe, why do we believe, does this make sense, does it conflict with any other sense of morality. If science or logic conflicts with religion, people can tend to panic. Religion is a part of our sociocultural identity. It is natural to panic when something conflicts with it and in order to preserve that identity we reject conflicting information. In my opinion science, logic, religion can all exist harmoniously. That is why I ask these ten million annoying question. So every person really thinks their moral beliefs through. It does not matter if you are pro choice or pro life, what matters is that you have an opinion that you really thought through. Something that you critically pondered and chose a stance based on your personal reflection. Your beliefs should not be something handed down to you by clothes, you ought to play an active role in creating them.
That being said, my comment about 'heathen' is a self deprecating comment based people's rigid perceptions on religious morality.
Eh? Didn't get you....clarify please.
An Acorn is a nut that contains the seed for the oak. A common phrase used in pro choice argument is that calling a fetus as human life is calling an acorn an oak tree. Its a logical leap we make when we call a fetus human because it may possibly grow into one.
Neither the sperm nor the egg has a life of its own. A fetus can grow into a child, given proper care and time. An individual sperm or egg cannot. Flawed comparison, dude.
Its not really that flawed. A fetus may possibly become human. The pregnancy may not carry full term. Child may die during or after birth. The child may die before becoming a functioning social human being. However, in a pro life argument we attribute fetus a life based on probability.The sperm or egg may not have life on its own. However, this argument is based on the probability factor. Had the person not wasted that sperm it probably could have inseminated an egg. Some cultures prohibit masturbation based on this 'waste' concept. Where and how do we draw the line on a probability argument.
If you went on a trip to the Amazon and despite protective gear a small leech is now on your leg. You did not want the leech, but it happened. It's just one leech. It will suck your blood, but it will not be fatal. Most likely it will fall of in a few weeks if not days. Obviously its on you because you were careless, you took the risk. Are you obligated to care for that leech till it dies or detaches naturally?
I'm not quiet getting what you are trying to say here?are you comparing abortion with animal killing?
A question to you: Let's say a child had already been born into a family that consists of only a cracked single mom who is using inhumane treatments to the child (using drugs to keep him still), and let's say it is not possible to let someone adopt the children due to circumstances. Would you be willing to murder the child, then, cold-bloodedly to 'protect' the child from further harm?
I am a Spartan. Thats all I will say. Go watch 300.
First of all, the concept of statutory rape does not go with me. Rape, by definition, means to forcibly have sex with someone without his/her consent.
By law a person under influence of alcohol or drugs is not deemed capable of giving consent?
Oh, my Lord, from where do you come up with these complicated issues?
Actually drunk sex is one of the biggest concerns in many campuses here. Way too many kids getting drunk and doing regrettable things. Its complicated, but a very relevant issue.
There's a difference between 'killing' and 'letting die naturally'.
Not going into any more depth [for now] as it has already gotten this much complicated.
P.S. Sareena, have read your article 'bout euthanasia on your webpage. That's where I got my information from.
Haha so you will use my own reports against me.
Reproductive damage, cosmetic damage, handicap?
What do you mean by reproductive and cosmetic damage? Btw, have never heard of mother getting handicapped for giving birth to a child. Care to clarify?
Reproductive damage is caused where reproductive organs like uterus, vagina are damaged due to complicated birth. The woman will never conceive again. Terminating the pregnancy may perhaps prevent the damage and the woman may be able to conceive again. The complication could be a one off instance and that woman may have multiple children in the future, but the same complication may arise over and over again.
Cosmetic damage is permanent scarring or disfiguration due to surgical procedures required for birthing. C-sections and multiple births often cause scarring that can be permanent. There is operational risk too. Which is why some women dread them.
My punctuation was wrong, read as reproductive or cosmetic handicap. A women who cannot conceive will consider herself handicapped. Some women consider their downstairs issues to be handicaps too. However, I think reproductive damage is somewhat a viable concern. Cosmetic damage, ah pish tosh, silly women.
Do Aah, Sarina, long time no see. Tell me, why is it that we always end up on the opposite sides of the spectrum?
Umm...I do not think Sarina (oh, is that the correct spelling?!) is pro-abortion (not at least in normal cases), otherwise she wouldn't be asking the questions. Besides, there was one article about abortion written by Sarina, reading which didn't seem that she is for it.
To clarify my stance, I am neither pro-choice or pro-life. You can call me agnostic when it comes to abortion. No hard and fast rules, take it as the situation comes. Personally, I am against it based on an irrational morality that cannot be logically justified. Legally, I do not have a right to enforce a decision on anyone. So when it comes to legal rights i am 100% pro choice in all cases.
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