Originally posted by PhoeniXof_Hades
Originally posted by mahikhan @bolded......labib im really surprised to see your words here i mean i know its foolishness but stating that you dont veiw it a sin at all then not a big one i disagree to you!
its a sin and whoever commits this sin will be punished horribly see,there are few things which are decided since day 1 and suicide is one such things..................
*sighs* You cannot order me what I should and should not view as a sin.
Just kidding. The God I believe in much more compassionate and understanding than the one who had always been taught to me - the sadistic one [to me] who creates in order to be worshiped and praised, and punishes those horribly who do not do so. That's not my definition of God. I believe in a God who loves his creation unconditionally. I do not believe in eternal torment. I do not believe in hell fire, either. Yes, bad people will be punished - but in the same scale; burning someone in fire, for an eternity, is not something I can imagine the 'all-loving' and 'merciful' creator to be doing - if He does, then, IMHO, his definitions of "all-loving" is plainly flawed.
i would like to say a few words here sir,God says himself Allah is merciful and Allah will punish non belivers right???so stating that you dont belive in God who is all loving for his creatures and would punish them.sorry sir your perception of God is right but you framed it wrongly
ok tell me onething if he says he love his creatures doesnt he provide them with basic needs?dont he listen to our prayers?dont he give to everyone be it a beliver or non believer and in return what has he asked just to obey him?do ggod and say good?is that really that much?
then why do we expect him not to punish those whom he has given chance again and again but they didnt learn,and btw God loves us 70 times more than our mums if our mum who loves us more than anyone else can punish us if she can slap us why not the one who not only claims but really love us and even after he seees many his creatures induging themselves into bad company he dont punish them isnt that his mercy what else you expect from him?hell fire will one l'il punishment because we are answertable to each and every act of us!
However, I respect those who takes this viewpoint. If someone is comfortable in believing that their creator would burn them into fire for an eternity, then so be it - I have no problem with that - and I respect their viewpoint completely. And I would appreciate it, if that group could respect my viewpoint, too.
noone thinks so!
Originally posted by mahikhan Islam doesnot encourage such acts
Neither do I. I agree that it is only God who has the right/authority to take our life. However, I also find it arrogant to think that we, human being, can know about God and his way of judgment. God, by its very definition, is something that is impossible for the human mind to conceive/grasp. Anyone claiming to know God's will, nature, plans, etc is doing nothing but being arrogant. Let God decide what He will do with/to us. We are no-one to judge and say things in advance. Remember, I too do not like the concept of suicide, and transgressing what God had stored for us is one of the major reason behind it amongst many others. However, as a human being, with limited knowledge regarding God and his way if judgment, I can never say what is and is not a sin. No one can. Anything anyone says is a guess.
Just my thoughts/views on this matter. Not meant to offend you.***Also I would like to add that I wouldn't like to drift the focus of this topic into a religious one (though, religion is bound to play its part, no denying there), mostly because you know, as well as I do, religious topics never end up in an impressive way, or so to speak. I also hope that we would not need to drag this particular discussion any further, and cause further disturbance to other members here. Thanks.