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Posted: 30 March 2009 at 8:07pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by clodpolish

To reduce smuggling, stealing etc of drugs, make them readily available?

I don't buy that.



Did you read the entire bhashan I had posted.

Its more than meets the eye. Its not as simplistic as "reducing smuggling". We have to assess what harms are being caused to society by banning drugs vs what harms will be caused by allowing drugs.

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Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by clodpolish

To reduce smuggling, stealing etc of drugs, make them readily available?

I don't buy that.



Did you read the entire bhashan I had posted.

Its more than meets the eye. Its not as simplistic as "reducing smuggling". We have to assess what harms are being caused to society by banning drugs vs what harms will be caused by allowing drugs.

nah, but ROA 's main point was that only, so thats what i was countering

I'll read that laterSmile

@ROA ji, i'll respond to you later after reading RTH ji's post even laterLOL



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Originally posted by Rage-Of-Angels

Cloddy !

Well taking their employment away is getting rid of Illegal aspect of their life, following other path such as what>? terrorists, robbers etc? well bad would remain bad forever So U R saying that once drugs R made legal, the smugglers get out of job so they move on to a more dangerous one like a terrorist or a robber. Thats some promotion indeed ! - there is a chance they could be re-formed if given the opportunity of better employment from the government etc/  But U urself said above that bad will remain bad forever or have U changed ur mind Wink LOL
 
Readily available drugs i doubt would increase the addicts, the people who want to became addicts do so illegally - others morals and ethics would come first before they sniff something illegally etc - at-least making them readily available would reduce the under-age addicts now why wud legalising drugs reduce underage addicts? Confused will the overage continue to increase? and 90% of drug related crimes.

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Originally posted by clodpolish

To reduce smuggling, stealing etc of drugs, make them readily available?

I don't buy that.

Neither do I  ! Big smile looks like a case of legalising things if U cant control them while they R illegal Ouch It sort of reflects failure on the part of law enforcers . If U fail to curb any menace do U solve the problem by making it legal Shocked By that logic corruption shud B legalised too as a lot of black money is involved which if legalised wud come into mainstream economy. If this trend goes on I wonder wherev it will all end up !!! Start legalising every crime that cant B controlled & U have no crime on ur hands as everything is legal now Shocked What a novel way of solving the ills of society !!!

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Originally posted by Rage-Of-Angels


instead of teaching why drugs is bad for you in some boring lecture rooms why not show the students some real junkie and their life - im sure that would turn many off.

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This can B done without having to legalise drugs. We hav ppl admitted in de addiction centres . Documentaries made on them can b shown to ppl to make them aware of the harmful effects of drugs. Creating proper awareness right from the school level  wud discourage ppl from experimenting with these. This is where we shud B concentrating rather than legalising drugs. Many teenagers take to drugs under peer pressure or B coz they feel its trendy . An adequate level of awareness will dissuade them . when the demand for these drugs  goes down the market will also decrease & so wud smuggling etc connected with it.
So emphasis shud B towards decreasing the abuse of these drugs by ppl

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Originally posted by return_to_hades


One key argument made against such a policy is that these drugs are harmful. They can be severely damaging to people's health and cause drastic side effects. First and foremost in a society founded on individual liberty, people have the right to make decisions on their own health.
I am pawned if everyone believes so!
We allow respect people's rights to refuse medication, resort to spiritual healing even when it may harm them; because we believe in individual rights and liberty. Similarly people should have the right to choose when it comes to drugs. Secondly, we already allow drugs that are more dangerous than the ones made illegal. Tobacco has drastic long term effects like lung collapses, lung and mouth cancer, respiratory disorders compared to marijuana and similar drugs that have lesser long term harm effects. Also we cannot protect people from everything that may harm them. Obesity is becoming a growing problem with heart diseases and other side effects severely harming people and sometimes being fatal. However, we would consider it extreme to ban fat. We believe in informing people about balanced diet to keep themselves healthy. A liberal drug policy actually provides people with information, medical, legal and social support to prevent misuse and harm whereas current policies leave people susceptible by cutting of such support.

Another argument is that allowing all drugs will make drugs accessible to everyone, resulting in more addiction across the board. Addiction consequently deteriorates society as people are unable to perform their social responsibilities and function as a connected member of society. However, the assumption that just because drugs are available people will use them and get addicted is a fallacious assumption. Using a drug, let alone getting addicted has more to do with individual and overall environment instead of just the availability.

Those who want to use drugs and abuse them will do so no matter what.
I don't buy this argument ! Its like laws don't matter at all, one who wants to do something would do it without thinking twice !Common now , easy availability of a bad thing is to have bad consequences of course !
The creation of new party drugs, abuse of prescription medications, inhalant abuse just shows that there will always be people willing to abuse substances legal or illegal. On the other hand many people, who have used illegal drugs, have been able to do so responsibly. They use drugs for years merely for the relief, pleasure or recreation it provides them and continue to succeed at school, report to work, build a career and have successful families. Similarly despite alcohol and tobacco being freely available many people refuse to use them for a variety of reasons. The key difference is the need to rely on drugs versus merely using them as a supplement in life.

Studies have shown that people who tend to abuse drugs usually suffer from depression, anxiety and other forms of mental disorders. People turn to drugs due to social confusion, rejection and often resort to substance abuse.
Ya, at the moment only these are the people who generally use it, but after legalising even those who are not like these but just want to experiment, or have just heard about drugs , or for any useless reason would also join the party.
They abuse drugs in order to feel better or be able to do better. People with a strong network of friends and family, people who encourage and support them in life are less likely to use or abuse drugs. Making drug inaccessible does not solve the core of the problem. It leaves the problem unsolved and lets people seek illegal avenues or find other negative means to resolve their problems. Instead of banning drugs the focus should be on forming healthy social structures and providing means of emotional support to people who may seek drugs due to social shortcomings.

One of the strongest arguments against drugs has been the harm principle. Drugs can be mood and personality altering, causing people to become abusive, violent and irresponsible towards people around them. People can cause severe injuries or death, by driving cars or operating machinery on a high, or drug trip. Hence, drugs should be illegal due to the harm it causes to innocents.

While the argument in favor of protecting people from harm due to drug users appears sound, rational and logical.
Then the first argument where i thought i was pawned, goes to hell !
However, it misses the key aspect of near and present danger. Just because drug usage may result in these problems, does not mean every instance of drug usage will cause these problems. It is unfair towards responsible drug users who may potentially never do something like that. Alcohol is a mood altering drug that also diminishes reflexes and body functions. While there are a lot of people who do drive drunk, or become abusive while drunk causing harm to others; most users of alcohol drink responsibly.
huh?any proof ?
People wanting to use drugs with similar effects deserve the opportunity to use them responsibly.

Legalizing drugs will also prevent many incidents of harm caused by drug use. Many people who use drugs are unaware of its potency and how it affects them. Alcohol is legal and has requirements. The labels state that one alcoholic beverage has 5% alcohol while another has 50%. People know what their tolerance levels are. With no labels or information to guide them people using illegal drugs have no idea of the potency level of what they are consuming. Sometimes they are misguided about the potency as well as the additives and other drugs that could be mixed in. The result is people not knowing what they are consuming and what their tolerance is. With legalization of drugs people will know exactly what drug they are consuming, what potency level it is and what their tolerance is.
Has such a thing ever helped ? What we are talking about is like cigarrettes, which everyone wants banned in india , because the potency level, danger signs, etc on the cigarrette packets don't effect anyone who is addicted !

In many ways we are actually adding accountability and responsibility to drug use. Because people will be warned about drugs, just like they are warned about effects of alcohol, tobacco or pharmaceutical drugs. People no longer will be able to blame misinformation or lack of knowledge for their indiscretions.
Even if they blame that , who buys that argument ?


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