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Sure, why not, decrease crime rates, increase mortality rates ....its all the same, right?

Although I believe that crime rates and drug addiction are independent of each other (seeing as how murders will murder regardless of the amount of cocaine they've sniffed and drug addicts will continue injecting heroin whether they commit another offense or not), lets assume for a minute that there is a direct correlation between drug addiction and crime rates. Now, lets make all drugs illegal - and not just marijuana, but also the top notch ones - I dunno cocaine, heroin, all that good stuff (bear with me here, not an expert on drugs) - now, won't the fact that we have druggies roaming freely all around us make us feel more insecure? Won't the fact that drug deals are occurring openly create a bigger danger for the general public? I think so.

 I could go on and on about this - but I think where I'm getting at is clear. Allowing drugs to be legal will only increase crime rates (unless you're also accounting for the intake of illegal drugs being legal now as a crime, but that would mean that in order to decrease crime rates, you're making the offense legal -- never really making the problem go away, but turning those very actions into something that's allowed - and then saying whoop-tee-doo, we managed to get crime rates down). And all those druggies will stand there laughing at you as they smoke that pot and blow the smoke into your face.

Anyways, about the say-no-to-drugs policy in schools - regardless of those lectures, teens go out and do it. Why? I do not know. Perhaps the idea of injecting heroin into your eyes is somewhat pleasant to them? I'm left clueless here. 

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Oh, and another point - drugs made less expensive? Absolutely not. If they're going to kill off half of our population by screwing themselves over, then they will pay for keeping the other half of the population alive. I say increase taxes on those drugs, and use that money to pay for drug education/rehab/medical treatments. Medical treatments probably being the key one there, seeing as how when these addicts are on the brink of death, they're begging for a way to save their lives (I mean I guess that's human nature - the fear of death) but why not think of that before when you're leading yourself one step closer to death every time you sniff/inject something? Anyways, they psychology behind the addicts will always be a mystery to me - one day I wish to study it though.

P.S. Coke brings me to an all-time high, you should give it a try.




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@ ROA, Interesting POV Tongue
 
The crimes commited by drug addicts R not directly under the influence of the drug but rather due to their lack  !  Once a person gets addicted he develops an intense  craving (both psychological as well as physical )for it to the point of desperation . He wud go to any extremes to get his hands on those drugs. So if the drugs R easier to get,  it cud cut down the crime rate. It wud no longer have to be smuggled  if made legal. Price wud cum down . This does seem to go in favour of legalising drugs.
 
BTW, the govt cant tax the drugs unless its legalised .
 
But i dont think that drugs shud B made legal just to bring down the crime rate .  Drugs R very harmful. It ruins the individual completely & his family with it. Making it legal wud make it more easy to access tempting more ppl to experiment with it. This cannot B encouraged

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Originally posted by Rage-Of-Angels

WA Tongue

Your posts are always sooo long lol LOL , well i understand where your coming from, but you have only discussed the cons. You must argue that making drugs legal is worse than making them illegal, all factors considered.  Talking about health and mortality rates then there are many things that are bad for you but still legal take for example fried food. Fried food is bad but not illegal. It depends upon the advantages and disadvantages of legalization in each case.

I argued about drugs being legal..also you mentioned that crime and drug is not related...well i argue on that, i believe it is girl...90% of crime is for  money so that they can supply themselves with drugs...for example take this scene - a person robbing an old lady for money, he is charged with theft - he has to steal for his expensive addiction of some sort..., something stupid like 90% of crime is drug related , imagine crime fell by 90% ? how good would that be ?

whats others take on this? LOL

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I'll try to keep this one short. Embarrassed I have only discussed the cons, because I don't see any pros. LOL Drug addiction is bad - legal or illegal. Making it illegal will not reduce crime rates. Why? Well lets use your example - that person who robs an old lady to fulfill his addiction - why is he robbing in the first place? Not because drugs are illegal - obviously he does not care whether drugs are legal or illegal, he's having withdrawals - he steals because he doesn't have money to pay for the drugs. Why? Probably because he's an unemployed drug addict who can't get a proper job because of the number of offenses he probably has on his criminal record. Anywho - it has nothing to do with the fact that the drug is illegal. So even if it is made legal - he will continue robbing the old lady because he does not have money either way. Hence, keeping crime rates at an all time high. Unless you're telling me that the government is planning on not only making the drugs legal but also providing drug stamps for those who are "in need" WinkLOL.

As far as fried food goes - oh dear, please don't comparing my love of french fries to someone else's injection of heroin into their eyes. Fried food may be unhealthy but not if consumed moderately. Heroin is hazardous - whether you consume it moderately or not. Also, I think people who blame McDonald's for their obesity need to get their head examined, and I'm willing to do it for them. So unless you're looking for another long post, don't get me started. WinkLOL

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 Why not share my position paper from my Social Ethics class. It's very long but it hits all points and counterpoints.

The 'drug problem' is a major issue of debate in the United States. Every year millions of dollars are invested in fighting a 'war on drugs'. For many years  law enforcement officials and other affiliates have diligently worked to end illegal trade of drugs and stop the use and sale of prohibited substances. Despite the significant investment of monetary and human resources, drugs are still a 'problem' and critical concern for the country. Illegal drug trade is still prevalent with drug cartels continuing their business despite significant setbacks. Drug abuse and addiction rates keep increasing every day. The number of recreational drugs and illegal compounds being concocted has increased over the years with new party drugs surfacing all the time. At the same time children and adults alike are turning to abusing legal prescription medications, and getting into the cycle of addiction through their bathroom cabinet.

All these known and evident fact make it clear that the battle against drugs is not successful. We have not managed to stop, limit, curb or control drug trade or abuse in any significant manner. In fact it seems that the drug problem has increased and the breadth of abused substances is not just limited to illegal drugs but legal pharmaceutical drugs and other legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol as well. Since, current policy is proving to be a failure; it is clear that we need a different approach to the 'drug problem'.

One option is definitely adopting closer to a 'zero tolerance' policy and establishing stricter, stringent control and laws and perhaps even making some currently legal substances illegal. This view is extreme and impractical. It will exhaust and consume more resources and meet with strong resistance. The other option is to adopt the liberal policy of legalizing all drugs. While this view is quite controversial, I believe such a drug policy will be more viable and a better alternative to society. We can also achieve a liberal drug policy without sweeping and alarming changes. This can be done by a gradual and controlled shift slowly introducing illegal drugs in the market with control and regulation.
A key social benefit of such a 'drug policy' would be its effect on the illegal drug trade. With many prohibited substances being legal, legitimate pharmaceutical companies would be allowed to manufacture/import these substances and sell them. The result would be that there would be no need for illegal traffickers and drug cartels to procure, transport and sell drugs. It would be able to prevent the violent crimes and various illegal activities that are a result of the underground drug trade. Underprivileged kids will no longer be tempted to traffic drugs with the temptation to make profits from selling drugs. A whole new legitimate and regulated drug industry could transfer many risky and underprivileged jobs to a safe and legal environment.

Another result of a liberal 'drug policy' is the savings resulting from it. The government will no longer need to invest large sums of money in narcotics divisions. Large amount of personnel will be freed from regulatory and law enforcement fields of the war on drugs. We can utilize these savings in human resources as well as monetary income to invest in other aspects of our government and society that need these resources. We can also use these available resources to create a comprehensive drug education system that educates people about all drugs including current pharmaceutical drugs equipping people with realistic and practical knowledge about drugs. A better understanding of drugs and guidance in usage will prevent people from abusing pharmaceutical and other drugs.

One of the biggest benefits of regulated pharmaceutical drugs is regulation. Drugs are prescribed in required dosages. Sterile equipment is available for any drugs that require intravenous administration. The composition of the drug is known and it is tested to be safe and free of contaminants or toxic compounds. Pharmacists guide people on how to use drugs, teach people what side effects to watch for and when to consult a doctor. Drugs are divided into over the counter and prescription strengths.
On the other hand illegal drugs have no information infrastructure or regulation. People using illegal drugs will often use unsterile equipment and expose themselves to HIV and other contagious viruses and illnesses. The composition and quality is unknown and many people end up taking contaminated drugs that result in fatalities. Potency and recommended dosages are unknown and accidental overdose is a common cause of death. Since the drugs are illegal people are not truly informed of effects and side effects, and do not watch for their health as they should. Due to fear of criminal charges and arrests many will avoid visiting doctors or seeking help when they experience side effects.

With the legalization of drugs, drug users will receive the benefits of regulation, quality control and most importantly information. Drug abuse, overdoses, unhealthy practices, ignorant deaths and fatalities could be prevented by providing people with sterile equipment, safe drugs and knowledge about the drugs. People will no longer fear seeking medical help if anything goes wrong and society will benefit from a safer secure drug use environment.

Of course such a drug policy has been unheard of in the United States and will receive strong criticism. Many deterrents of legalizing drugs will present several counter arguments against legalizing drugs like marijuana, cocaine etc.

One key argument made against such a policy is that these drugs are harmful. They can be severely damaging to people's health and cause drastic side effects. First and foremost in a society founded on individual liberty, people have the right to make decisions on their own health. We allow respect people's rights to refuse medication, resort to spiritual healing even when it may harm them; because we believe in individual rights and liberty. Similarly people should have the right to choose when it comes to drugs.  Secondly, we already allow drugs that are more dangerous than the ones made illegal. Tobacco has drastic long term effects like lung collapses, lung and mouth cancer, respiratory disorders compared to marijuana and similar drugs that have lesser long term harm effects. Also we cannot protect people from everything that may harm them. Obesity is becoming a growing problem with heart diseases and other side effects severely harming people and sometimes being fatal. However, we would consider it extreme to ban fat. We believe in informing people about balanced diet to keep themselves healthy. A liberal drug policy actually provides people with information, medical, legal and social support to prevent misuse and harm whereas current policies leave people susceptible by cutting of such support.

Another argument is that allowing all drugs will make drugs accessible to everyone, resulting in more addiction across the board. Addiction consequently deteriorates society as people are unable to perform their social responsibilities and function as a connected member of society. However, the assumption that just because drugs are available people will use them and get addicted is a fallacious assumption. Using a drug, let alone getting addicted has more to do with individual and overall environment instead of just the availability.

Those who want to use drugs and abuse them will do so no matter what. The creation of new party drugs, abuse of prescription medications, inhalant abuse just shows that there will always be people willing to abuse substances legal or illegal. On the other hand many people, who have used illegal drugs, have been able to do so responsibly. They use drugs for years merely for the relief, pleasure or recreation it provides them and continue to succeed at school, report to work, build a career and have successful families.  Similarly despite alcohol and tobacco being freely available many people refuse to use them for a variety of reasons. The key difference is the need to rely on drugs versus merely using them as a supplement in life.

Studies have shown that people who tend to abuse drugs usually suffer from depression, anxiety and other forms of mental disorders. People turn to drugs due to social confusion, rejection and often resort to substance abuse. They abuse drugs in order to feel better or be able to do better. People with a strong network of friends and family, people who encourage and support them in life are less likely to use or abuse drugs. Making drug inaccessible does not solve the core of the problem. It leaves the problem unsolved and lets people seek illegal avenues or find other negative means to resolve their problems. Instead of banning drugs the focus should be on forming healthy social structures and providing means of emotional support to people who may seek drugs due to social shortcomings.

One of the strongest arguments against drugs has been the harm principle. Drugs can be mood and personality altering, causing people to become abusive, violent and irresponsible towards people around them. People can cause severe injuries or death, by driving cars or operating machinery on a high, or drug trip. Hence, drugs should be illegal due to the harm it causes to innocents.

While the argument in favor of protecting people from harm due to drug users appears sound, rational and logical. However, it misses the key aspect of near and present danger. Just because drug usage may result in these problems, does not mean every instance of drug usage will cause these problems. It is unfair towards responsible drug users who may potentially never do something like that. Alcohol is a mood altering drug that also diminishes reflexes and body functions. While there are a lot of people who do drive drunk, or become abusive while drunk causing harm to others; most users of alcohol drink responsibly. People wanting to use drugs with similar effects deserve the opportunity to use them responsibly.

Legalizing drugs will also prevent many incidents of harm caused by drug use. Many people who use drugs are unaware of its potency and how it affects them. Alcohol is legal and has requirements. The labels state that one alcoholic beverage has 5% alcohol while another has 50%. People know what their tolerance levels are. With no labels or information to guide them people using illegal drugs have no idea of the potency level of what they are consuming. Sometimes they are misguided about the potency as well as the additives and other drugs that could be mixed in. The result is people not knowing what they are consuming and what their tolerance is. With legalization of drugs people will know exactly what drug they are consuming, what potency level it is and what their tolerance is.

In many ways we are actually adding accountability and responsibility to drug use. Because people will be warned about drugs, just like they are warned about effects of alcohol, tobacco or pharmaceutical drugs. People no longer will be able to blame misinformation or lack of knowledge for their indiscretions.

On the whole legalizing currently illegal drugs will benefit society in the long run. There maybe initial hiccups in transition and implementation. However, it is the most reasonable alternative to a failed drug prohibition policy. It also forces us to tackle the core issues actually plaguing  society instead of using drugs as a scapegoat. Addiction, irresponsible behavior, etc. are not the result of drugs, but people and society. Anyone can be addicted to anything or behave in an irresponsible manner. The key is to prevent people from doing so in all walks of life.




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