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Originally posted by Connie

^^ They lived in Riyadh this was long back.....now my aunt is in her 50's LOL her hair was pulled. She was shopping and my uncle was in another store. We just laugh at this incident cos she was newly married.... she just did not want to go back....eventually she did cos uncle could not stay there without her Smile

btw passing a law on driving for women is not like the gay marriage act.....gosh just give them a license.....it's been so longConfused what is there to discuss so much about it.
 
I just supported your view point.. i hope this is not way back to when they wrote the tales of the arabian nights...LOLLOL

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Originally posted by qwertyesque

Originally posted by qazplm

Originally posted by Connie

^^ I don't need to live there to find out about that place I had my relatives there.....and I do understand that crime takes place all throughout the world but nothing like an elderly woman receiving lashes for being with 2 men.

Maybe you were lucky that no one asked you to cover up.... but it has happened with my aunt where she was also abused cos she did notUnhappy

I have nothing against the place but such laws are really strict... women not being allowed to drive???
 
Where does your aunt live?
 
The new King has voiced his opinion alot of times that he's in favor of women driving...and Islam in no way prohibits women from this. Like any other country, he's trying his best to get this law passed. But some things take time...like the gay-lesbian marriage act in US.
 
I really don't have any intention of offending anyone...just wanted to narrate my experience of this beautiful country .Embarrassed
 
I kinda agree with Connie by and large - btw which Saudi arabia are you talking about.?..LOL.. jokin. Doing something through connivance or sneaking out may not exactly mean the same a liberal allowances..Can you screen a movie like Shirdi key sai baba or some hindu or passion of christ etc movies in SA?
 
If you ask my personal opinion, I really don't think that a normal Saudi citizen really believes in these extreme laws. That's why we didn't have to sneak around or do it in a secretive way. The only people who usually cared were the mutawwas or the cops. It's like how we talk about the relationship between India and Pakistan. The normal citizen or the youth really don't seem to carry a personal vengeance against every Pakistani they meet. It's the political parties or the older generation who carry around a baggage of violent history with them.
 
And no, movies aren't allowed in SA at all, period. Not from any languages. Even though Bahrain and some countries have recently gotten permission to open theatres, the fact remians that theatres don't exist in SA largely. All the Indian movies that are watched are through piracy. But if it comes down to movies like Shirdi Key Sai Baba or Passion Of The Christ, then they are allowed to be watched with a public gathering. We used to watch it in schools and functions.

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Originally posted by Connie

^^ They lived in Riyadh this was long back.....now my aunt is in her 50's LOL her hair was pulled. She was shopping and my uncle was in another store. We just laugh at this incident cos she was newly married.... she just did not want to go back....eventually she did cos uncle could not stay there without her Smile

btw passing a law on driving for women is not like the gay marriage act.....gosh just give them a license.....it's been so longConfused what is there to discuss so much about it.
 
No, I don't mean in any way to deny that what happened with your aunt was wrong. I'm just trying to clear some of the misconceptions of Saudi Arabia. Truly, I think a person needs to live there to experience it. It is a fact that it may not be the most convenient place for Non-muslims, but it certainly is not a bad choice.
 
The gay marriage act was an example. But it does hold the same importance in each country. I know it means alot to many working women to drive in SA, just like it means alot to homosexuals to have the right to marry the person they love. It's just that giving driving rights seems an old-debated dealt with past while the gay marriage act seems to be the more recent debate.


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Originally posted by qazplm

Originally posted by Connie

^^ They lived in Riyadh this was long back.....now my aunt is in her 50's LOL her hair was pulled. She was shopping and my uncle was in another store. We just laugh at this incident cos she was newly married.... she just did not want to go back....eventually she did cos uncle could not stay there without her Smile

btw passing a law on driving for women is not like the gay marriage act.....gosh just give them a license.....it's been so longConfused what is there to discuss so much about it.
 
No, I don't mean in any way to deny that what happened with your aunt was wrong. I'm just trying to clear some of the misconceptions of Saudi Arabia. Truly, I think a person needs to live there to experience it. It is a fact that it may not be the most convenient place for Non-muslims, but it certainly is not a bad choice.
 
The gay marriage act was an example. But it does hold the same importance in each country. I know it means alot to many working women to drive in SA, just like it means alot to homosexuals to have the right to marry the person they love. It's just that giving driving rights seems an old-debated dealt with past while the gay marriage act seems to be the more recent debate.
these paralleles dont even make sense... yeah women want to drive has nothing to do with some guys want to be blasphemous!!!!!LOLLOL

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This really disturbing to hear.  This so-called "religion" police isn't trying to keep society clean, instead it's trying to taint pure and innocent acts.  For god sakes, the two guys were meeting a 70 year old, not having an affair!

And the article also stated that a 19 yr old girl rape victim was sentenced to 200 lashes for meeting unrelated men that gang raped her....OMG!!!




Originally posted by Connie

This is very common in Saudi Arabia women cannot go out of the house without a male member escorting her. Women cannot drive...... cos then they would have secret affairs. You have to cover yourself, no matter what religion you belong to. If you don't follow these rules you get lashed and then you are deported back to your country Disapprove

There are no churches or temples in Saudi Arabia. You cannot even bring a rosary, bible or holy water through the airport. Even sacred pictures of Hindu Gods are not allowed. In general you cannot practise any other religion.


Yes, a white classmate of mine was telling me about his stay in Saudi Arabia.  Apparently t his family and other Christian families would go on "camping" trips every Christmas to celebrate in secret.  They would hide presents.  They were risking their lives in order to practice their religion in Saudi Arabia


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Originally posted by Connie

^^ They lived in Riyadh this was long back.....now my aunt is in her 50's LOL her hair was pulled. She was shopping and my uncle was in another store. We just laugh at this incident cos she was newly married.... she just did not want to go back....eventually she did cos uncle could not stay there without her Smile

btw passing a law on driving for women is not like the gay marriage act.....gosh just give them a license.....it's been so longConfused what is there to discuss so much about it.
 
No, I don't mean in any way to deny that what happened with your aunt was wrong. I'm just trying to clear some of the misconceptions of Saudi Arabia. Truly, I think a person needs to live there to experience it. It is a fact that it may not be the most convenient place for Non-muslims, but it certainly is not a bad choice.
 
The gay marriage act was an example. But it does hold the same importance in each country. I know it means alot to many working women to drive in SA, just like it means alot to homosexuals to have the right to marry the person they love. It's just that giving driving rights seems an old-debated dealt with past while the gay marriage act seems to be the more recent debate.
these paralleles dont even make sense... yeah women want to drive has nothing to do with some guys want to be blasphemous!!!!!LOLLOL
 
Well, let's just say that I don't hold any judgements toward any people.  Straight or gay.

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Originally posted by qazplm

Originally posted by Connie

Originally posted by peace_islam

Originally posted by Connie

This is very common in Saudi Arabia women cannot go out of the house without a male member escorting her. Women cannot drive...... cos then they would have secret affairs. You have to cover yourself, no matter what religion you belong to. If you don't follow these rules you get lashed and then you are deported back to your country Disapprove

There are no churches or temples in Saudi Arabia. You cannot even bring a rosary, bible or holy water through the airport. Even sacred pictures of Hindu Gods are not allowed. In general you cannot practise any other religion.
 
hey connie just for your information bcoz what u have said its not truth...did u ever visit saudi araia..??
well i m in saudi arabia and i m women also  so i know better how womens are treated there..
dear who tells u that womens cant go outside without their husband or father..Confused
its not reality i often go outside wid my frnds wid my mom we go to cornish(park) alone with my frnds.women they also go alone but no one caught us and put in jail..
yes women cant drive but saudi government is thinking to allow women to drive...so what is in covering i think no body wants to reveal herself infront of other males....there are many non muslims who wear abaya but thwy didnt wear hijab or veil..its their own choice,,
 
yes there are no temples and chruces but ppls here they can practice their religion..hmary neighbours hain christian n hindus sbha sbha jab pooja karty hain toh bell hoti hai na i dont know name uski awaz arhe hoti hai or bajhan ki bSmile from window...
 
or han this case is very bad..shame on such ppls..but these cases happens everywhere..but in usa every crime happens but they only show asia and middle east..bht chalak hainLOL
 


My aunt and uncle lived in Saudi Arabia for 25 yrs.....I do know that a male member has to be with you and u can't roam around with a man who is not related to you.

About women who want to drive well that will never happen.....there have been so many petitions put up for women who actually want to be independent...... but the freedom of driving will never be given to them. The government is not going to implement this rule.

You can pray at home but not hold community gatherings. There are a lot people who would appreciate a temple or church which they would like to visit once in a while at least for occasions. There is no such celebration for Christmas or Diwali. Don't you celebrate Eid in a big way????

It's easy for you to say that no harm in covering yourself..... cos you have been brought up like that. Sitting on the other side of the fence and passing a judgement about no body wants to reveal themselves in front of male members is very easy. I don't see any harm in wearing jeans and going out.....I would never cover myself.
 
First of all, you can't pass judgements by just hearing second hand information. Live there, then comment please. Although I have moved to New York and have been living here for 5 years now, I can definitely contradict alot of what your saying about the happenings in Saudi Arabia as I was born there and have lived 16 years of my life there.
 
First, there is a law that a household man should accompany a woman everywhere she goes. But the law isin't adhered strictly at all. In all my years there, my group of female friends have gone to various places without any constrictions. Women are infact allowed to go to public places freely. Malls have been opened just for females where they could go alone and spend their time.
 
Next, Islam requires a woman to cover. And it's very strongly necessary in our religion. But it doesn't hide this information from a non-muslim entering the country. Infact, in places like Jeddah and Damman, many women take off their abhayas and go out at night. Which is allowed beacuse I have done it alot of times myself.
 
I used to attend an Indian school. And alot of my friends consisted of Hindus and Christians. And it may sound strange, but all of them used to love it. In all my 16 years, I had never heard them complain about any restriction. Because sitting in a foreign country all this may sound strange and hard...but once your there it's not a problem. Infact, many of my friends never covered their hair...just kept the dupatta on their shoulders. And about the celebrations, even in the US, Eid is not some national holiday and is not given much importance while Christmas and Thanksgiving does. But I don't think I have any right to complain as it is mainly dominated by  Christians.
 
Coming to the article, media in the west just wants to find sensational topics about Islam mishandlings and put it on the front page. Why don't they ever give importance to any one of the cases that come in eacg day about the sexual rapes of women in the country? It's reported that 3000 women are raped in America each day...which makes it 3 million each year.
 
But still, it is agaisnt Islam to beat an old woman for any other reason except murder or corruption over land. Infact, it has been advised in Islam to give the old women some freeway and not to hold them on account if their not able to pray or even cover themseleves. I do think that the Saudi Arabian government seems to go to extremes many a times. Which is a sad occurrence regarding that it is the only country in the Middle East where safety and luxury is provided.
 
hats off to u....ClapClapClap
just love u...i think who ever thinks bad about ksa he must visit there..i m sure his opinon will change..
 
i dont know wat the hell wid ppls y they dont want to live us in peace..specially western media..ohh god they are ----------------------------------- i m living in saudi arabia since 9 yrs but i never heard this kind of news western media they dont know that womens are very happy and we muslims hate western culture...where (in west)we are judge by size of our legs and size of our clothes,,,realy we hate this rubbish..here womens are more happy even womens are more happier than so called freedom oof western womens..
and whats hell with not driving..yar womens are very happy..they enjoy their self even i like ksa very mush bcoz here we have many facilities...i think no safe place for womens in this world other then ksa..
and here all men respect woemen..plz stop al this we are very happy what we are..no need to care about us...western media should care about their womens bcoz they are not safe from men
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