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Posted: 10 March 2009 at 11:58am | IP Logged
Originally posted by peace_islam

Originally posted by Connie

This is very common in Saudi Arabia women cannot go out of the house without a male member escorting her. Women cannot drive...... cos then they would have secret affairs. You have to cover yourself, no matter what religion you belong to. If you don't follow these rules you get lashed and then you are deported back to your country Disapprove

There are no churches or temples in Saudi Arabia. You cannot even bring a rosary, bible or holy water through the airport. Even sacred pictures of Hindu Gods are not allowed. In general you cannot practise any other religion.
 
hey connie just for your information bcoz what u have said its not truth...did u ever visit saudi araia..??
well i m in saudi arabia and i m women also  so i know better how womens are treated there..
dear who tells u that womens cant go outside without their husband or father..Confused
its not reality i often go outside wid my frnds wid my mom we go to cornish(park) alone with my frnds.women they also go alone but no one caught us and put in jail..
yes women cant drive but saudi government is thinking to allow women to drive...so what is in covering i think no body wants to reveal herself infront of other males....there are many non muslims who wear abaya but thwy didnt wear hijab or veil..its their own choice,,
 
yes there are no temples and chruces but ppls here they can practice their religion..hmary neighbours hain christian n hindus sbha sbha jab pooja karty hain toh bell hoti hai na i dont know name uski awaz arhe hoti hai or bajhan ki bSmile from window...
 
or han this case is very bad..shame on such ppls..but these cases happens everywhere..but in usa every crime happens but they only show asia and middle east..bht chalak hainLOL
 


My aunt and uncle lived in Saudi Arabia for 25 yrs.....I do know that a male member has to be with you and u can't roam around with a man who is not related to you.

About women who want to drive well that will never happen.....there have been so many petitions put up for women who actually want to be independent...... but the freedom of driving will never be given to them. The government is not going to implement this rule.

You can pray at home but not hold community gatherings. There are a lot people who would appreciate a temple or church which they would like to visit once in a while at least for occasions. There is no such celebration for Christmas or Diwali. Don't you celebrate Eid in a big way????

It's easy for you to say that no harm in covering yourself..... cos you have been brought up like that. Sitting on the other side of the fence and passing a judgement about no body wants to reveal themselves in front of male members is very easy. I don't see any harm in wearing jeans and going out.....I would never cover myself.


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Posted: 10 March 2009 at 12:13pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Connie

Originally posted by peace_islam

Originally posted by Connie

This is very common in Saudi Arabia women cannot go out of the house without a male member escorting her. Women cannot drive...... cos then they would have secret affairs. You have to cover yourself, no matter what religion you belong to. If you don't follow these rules you get lashed and then you are deported back to your country Disapprove

There are no churches or temples in Saudi Arabia. You cannot even bring a rosary, bible or holy water through the airport. Even sacred pictures of Hindu Gods are not allowed. In general you cannot practise any other religion.
 
hey connie just for your information bcoz what u have said its not truth...did u ever visit saudi araia..??
well i m in saudi arabia and i m women also  so i know better how womens are treated there..
dear who tells u that womens cant go outside without their husband or father..Confused
its not reality i often go outside wid my frnds wid my mom we go to cornish(park) alone with my frnds.women they also go alone but no one caught us and put in jail..
yes women cant drive but saudi government is thinking to allow women to drive...so what is in covering i think no body wants to reveal herself infront of other males....there are many non muslims who wear abaya but thwy didnt wear hijab or veil..its their own choice,,
 
yes there are no temples and chruces but ppls here they can practice their religion..hmary neighbours hain christian n hindus sbha sbha jab pooja karty hain toh bell hoti hai na i dont know name uski awaz arhe hoti hai or bajhan ki bSmile from window...
 
or han this case is very bad..shame on such ppls..but these cases happens everywhere..but in usa every crime happens but they only show asia and middle east..bht chalak hainLOL
 


My aunt and uncle lived in Saudi Arabia for 25 yrs.....I never said they catch you and put you in jail if you go out alone.... but I do know that a male member has to be with you and u can't roam around with a man who is not related to you.

About women who want to drive well that will never happen.....there have been so many petitions put up for women who actually want to be independent...... but the freedom of driving will never be given to them. The government is not going to implement this rule.

You can pray at home but not hold community gatherings. There are a lot people who would appreciate a temple or church which they would like to visit one in a while.

It's easy for you to say that no harm in covering yourself..... cos you have been brought up like that. Sitting on the other side of the fence and passing a judgement about no body wants to reveal themselves in front of male members is very easy. I don't see any harm in wearing jeans and going out.....I would never cover myself.
 
every one has different opinion u cant cover yourself but i cant reavel my self...well i love my abaya..bht faidy b hainBig smile
yahan gf bf dates par b jaty hain..gandy bachyEmbarrassed

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Posted: 10 March 2009 at 2:32pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Connie

Originally posted by peace_islam

Originally posted by Connie

This is very common in Saudi Arabia women cannot go out of the house without a male member escorting her. Women cannot drive...... cos then they would have secret affairs. You have to cover yourself, no matter what religion you belong to. If you don't follow these rules you get lashed and then you are deported back to your country Disapprove

There are no churches or temples in Saudi Arabia. You cannot even bring a rosary, bible or holy water through the airport. Even sacred pictures of Hindu Gods are not allowed. In general you cannot practise any other religion.
 
hey connie just for your information bcoz what u have said its not truth...did u ever visit saudi araia..??
well i m in saudi arabia and i m women also  so i know better how womens are treated there..
dear who tells u that womens cant go outside without their husband or father..Confused
its not reality i often go outside wid my frnds wid my mom we go to cornish(park) alone with my frnds.women they also go alone but no one caught us and put in jail..
yes women cant drive but saudi government is thinking to allow women to drive...so what is in covering i think no body wants to reveal herself infront of other males....there are many non muslims who wear abaya but thwy didnt wear hijab or veil..its their own choice,,
 
yes there are no temples and chruces but ppls here they can practice their religion..hmary neighbours hain christian n hindus sbha sbha jab pooja karty hain toh bell hoti hai na i dont know name uski awaz arhe hoti hai or bajhan ki bSmile from window...
 
or han this case is very bad..shame on such ppls..but these cases happens everywhere..but in usa every crime happens but they only show asia and middle east..bht chalak hainLOL
 


My aunt and uncle lived in Saudi Arabia for 25 yrs.....I do know that a male member has to be with you and u can't roam around with a man who is not related to you.

About women who want to drive well that will never happen.....there have been so many petitions put up for women who actually want to be independent...... but the freedom of driving will never be given to them. The government is not going to implement this rule.

You can pray at home but not hold community gatherings. There are a lot people who would appreciate a temple or church which they would like to visit once in a while at least for occasions. There is no such celebration for Christmas or Diwali. Don't you celebrate Eid in a big way????

It's easy for you to say that no harm in covering yourself..... cos you have been brought up like that. Sitting on the other side of the fence and passing a judgement about no body wants to reveal themselves in front of male members is very easy. I don't see any harm in wearing jeans and going out.....I would never cover myself.
 
First of all, you can't pass judgements by just hearing second hand information. Live there, then comment please. Although I have moved to New York and have been living here for 5 years now, I can definitely contradict alot of what your saying about the happenings in Saudi Arabia as I was born there and have lived 16 years of my life there.
 
First, there is a law that a household man should accompany a woman everywhere she goes. But the law isin't adhered strictly at all. In all my years there, my group of female friends have gone to various places without any constrictions. Women are infact allowed to go to public places freely. Malls have been opened just for females where they could go alone and spend their time.
 
Next, Islam requires a woman to cover. And it's very strongly necessary in our religion. But it doesn't hide this information from a non-muslim entering the country. Infact, in places like Jeddah and Damman, many women take off their abhayas and go out at night. Which is allowed beacuse I have done it alot of times myself.
 
I used to attend an Indian school. And alot of my friends consisted of Hindus and Christians. And it may sound strange, but all of them used to love it. In all my 16 years, I had never heard them complain about any restriction. Because sitting in a foreign country all this may sound strange and hard...but once your there it's not a problem. Infact, many of my friends never covered their hair...just kept the dupatta on their shoulders. And about the celebrations, even in the US, Eid is not some national holiday and is not given much importance while Christmas and Thanksgiving does. But I don't think I have any right to complain as it is mainly dominated by  Christians.
 
Coming to the article, media in the west just wants to find sensational topics about Islam mishandlings and put it on the front page. Why don't they ever give importance to any one of the cases that come in eacg day about the sexual rapes of women in the country? It's reported that 3000 women are raped in America each day...which makes it 3 million each year.
 
But still, it is agaisnt Islam to beat an old woman for any other reason except murder or corruption over land. Infact, it has been advised in Islam to give the old women some freeway and not to hold them on account if their not able to pray or even cover themseleves. I do think that the Saudi Arabian government seems to go to extremes many a times. Which is a sad occurrence regarding that it is the only country in the Middle East where safety and luxury is provided.


Edited by qazplm - 10 March 2009 at 2:46pm

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Posted: 10 March 2009 at 2:53pm | IP Logged
^^ I don't need to live there to find out about that place I had my relatives there.....and I do understand that crime takes place all throughout the world but nothing like an elderly woman receiving lashes for being with 2 men.

Maybe you were lucky that no one asked you to cover up.... but it has happened with my aunt where she was also abused cos she did notUnhappy

I have nothing against the place but such laws are really strict... women not being allowed to drive???

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Posted: 10 March 2009 at 3:05pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Connie

^^ I don't need to live there to find out about that place I had my relatives there.....and I do understand that crime takes place all throughout the world but nothing like an elderly woman receiving lashes for being with 2 men.

Maybe you were lucky that no one asked you to cover up.... but it has happened with my aunt where she was also abused cos she did notUnhappy

I have nothing against the place but such laws are really strict... women not being allowed to drive???
 
Where does your aunt live?
 
The new King has voiced his opinion alot of times that he's in favor of women driving...and Islam in no way prohibits women from this. Like any other country, he's trying his best to get this law passed. But some things take time...like the gay-lesbian marriage act in US.
 
I really don't have any intention of offending anyone...just wanted to narrate my experience of this beautiful country .Embarrassed


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Posted: 10 March 2009 at 3:12pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by qazplm

Originally posted by Connie

^^ I don't need to live there to find out about that place I had my relatives there.....and I do understand that crime takes place all throughout the world but nothing like an elderly woman receiving lashes for being with 2 men.

Maybe you were lucky that no one asked you to cover up.... but it has happened with my aunt where she was also abused cos she did notUnhappy

I have nothing against the place but such laws are really strict... women not being allowed to drive???
 
Where does your aunt live?
 
The new King has voiced his opinion alot of times that he's in favor of women driving...and Islam in no way prohibits women from this. Like any other country, he's trying his best to get this law passed. But some things take time...like the gay-lesbian marriage act in US.
 
I really don't have any intention of offending anyone...just wanted to narrate my experience of this beautiful country .Embarrassed
 
I kinda agree with Connie by and large - btw which Saudi arabia are you talking about.?..LOL.. jokin. Doing something through connivance or sneaking out may not exactly mean the same a liberal allowances..Can you screen a movie like Shirdi key sai baba or some hindu or passion of christ etc movies in SA?


Edited by qwertyesque - 10 March 2009 at 3:13pm

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Posted: 10 March 2009 at 3:18pm | IP Logged
^^ They lived in Riyadh this was long back.....now my aunt is in her 50's LOL her hair was pulled. She was shopping and my uncle was in another store. We just laugh at this incident cos she was newly married.... she just did not want to go back....eventually she did cos uncle could not stay there without her Smile

btw passing a law on driving for women is not like the gay marriage act.....gosh just give them a license.....it's been so longConfused what is there to discuss so much about it.


Edited by Connie - 10 March 2009 at 3:20pm

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