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a_jalpari

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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 4:44pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by kingallahslave

Originally posted by cameroon16

No offence, but KingslaveAllah
u look like an extremist
I am a muslim and i try to do everything islam says, but u are missing out on a point that Islam also asks u to respect other religions



but for all this I can't take a GUN and shoot peoples...i started to follow the steps of my master.
and i started spreading the words of Allah and teachings of my master,through my Website.....

AND IF SPREADING ISLAM IS WORK OF EXTRIMIST !

THEN YES

I'M EXTREMIST !



at lst I'm something............... but WHAT YOU ARE ????????????? This question may not be asked of me but i have same views as the person above.... We as muslim is out duty to practice Islam, by doing all that is written in the Quaran.... We just consider ourself non-violent MUSLIMS ... we hate violence, no matter who does it.. it is said t be wrong in our religion so why do it?

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a_jalpari

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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 5:02pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by kingallahslave

Originally posted by a_jalpari

What about women's freedom and all that stuff in Islam? I am also a muslim, and i have true faith in Allah....

But what about those male in Islam who think of a woman as their property? What about the part that women has to be covered all the time from face to feet whether it's hot or cold?

About the divorce part... man can say the word "talaakh" 3 times and is free from the relationsip.. but can a women do this? NO, she has to get her husband to say it.

Even Islam itself says that women may not have all rights in this world, but she has a very high status in Heaven.
 
I respect that u r tryingto spread these thoughts... but make sure not be so extreme, and respect other religions.


Its SAD thing as being a Muslim,you don't know the truth.???

Who said women can't divorce.if the person is not fullfilling his duty as Husband.you can kick him out. Yes woman has the right to get divorced... but she has to ask for it!

Originally posted by a_jalpari



Even Islam itself says that women may not have all rights in this world, but she has a very high status in Heaven.




pls tell me from you u got this information.i really want to know... I have all types of Islamic/ other religion books.... Though i am not so worried about that because women/ mother has the highest status in heaven.

Originally posted by a_jalpari


I am also a muslim, and i have true faith in Allah....


faith in ALLAH SWT.... but i can't see...That's because i'm not a show off, I keep my faith to my self nd in my heart .i think u must read more about religion. I have read about all religions

If You believe in ALLAH,

then how his Order is being Called as STUFF ?? Sometimes words can not express your feelings and what your're trying to say... yes it is an order... thanks for correcting

How can you think,Allah will not be fare with females ?? IT's not Allah ... its the men and the society

How can you think,those things are not Important.which Allah Specially Ordered in QURAN ?? They are importnt... i never said they weren't

AND WHEN THERE is somthing to blame in quran,why people don't read the complete statements.
and why don't see the situation ,time  etc etc....why they can't see the positive thinks of such rules.
That's natural in humans....



ops i have 2 go,i will reply u later! Yeah... sure... bring it on!

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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 7:04pm | IP Logged
i think kingallahslave is doing good job.  however, i don't like the way u r doing it.  Allah told us not to say bad things about other religion.  if some hindu person get angry b/c of ur comments and starts saying bad things about our prophet and allah then the blame is not on them but u b/c u started this.  In order to bring ppl toward Islam, u have to say good things about Islam, our prophet, and Allah.  not disrespect other religion or compare with any other.  The truth does not need any comparsion.  u just have to say it.  i hope u keep in mind my things.  please learn to respect other religion like urs.  what would happen if some one say bad things about ur religion?  ITS GOING TO BE ENTRIELY UR FAULT

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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 7:06pm | IP Logged
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT RIGHTS OF WOMEN IN ISLAM BUT PLEASE DON'T COMPARE WITH ANY OTHER RELIGION

farri.muslimah

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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 9:45pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by a_jalpari

Originally posted by peace_islam

Originally posted by a_jalpari

What about women's freedom and all that stuff in Islam? I am also a muslim, and i have true faith in Allah....
But what about those male in Islam who think of a woman as their property? What about the part that women has to be covered all the time from face to feet whether it's hot or cold?
About the divorce part... man can say the word "talaakh" 3 times and is free from the relationsip.. but can a women do this? NO, she has to get her husband to say it.
Even Islam itself says that women may not have all rights in this world, but she has a very high status in Heaven.
 
I respect that u r tryingto spread these thoughts... but make sure not be so extreme, and respect other religions.
 
if some one thinks women their property its fault of him not of islam.. But isn't the man muslim too?
we have to cover our body not to cover our face and this is for our safety..oh dear agr garmi hogi clothes pehno gi na kabi aisa hwa hai k garmi lagi ho or clothes na pehno hahah funny..or cold main toh woh b coverd ho jaty hain jo apni body reveal karty hain..haha IIt's really not funny the way you are talking about it... I meant why do the women have to be covered? .... Why can't the man just stop staring?
no madam did u know before nikkah both men and women have to signed it wahan coulmn hota hai jis main women ko right hai k ap talaq dy sakty hon..or 3talak kehny sy he talaq nh ho jati..Last time i checked, the man still has the right to say the words 3 times and he's free from the women.. a woman can't do that... she has to appeal and plead the man for divorce or agr talaq dy b toh usy meher b dyna padta hai or women ki responsibity us par he hoti hai divorce k bad b..
no where islam said that women have not equal rights...remember last sermon of prophet where he said "mens have right over women but women also have right over men....and islam add more responsiblities to men not rights Islam main agar humain woh hakooq mil bhi jayen to humara maashra woh haq nahi deta..... to kya iss a matlab ye ke humare maashre ke log musalmaaan nahi?
men and women boths are equall...Sure yeah... yeh to kehne ke baatein hain
 
yar khud muslims ko nh pata k islam main kya hai or kya nh toh non muslims ko kya khak pata hoga Excuse me, maine har religion padha hai... aur unn religions main Islam bhi shamil hai isloye toh woh har waqt islam k bary main propagenda karty hain that islam opress women...
i hope apko bura nh laga hoga main sirf apki ghalat fehmi door kar rahi thi as a muslim...
be proud of muslim womenSmile  ... Jee nahi iss main mind karne wali koi baat nahi... infact i'm happy to get a feedback from a muslim women... it's part of my work
 
Don't take me wrong there.... Because i'm a very neutral person.. i say what i believe is right not to have a contrevorsey over it.
 
kya jo muslim kjam karain gy uska matlab yeh hai k hm islam ko blame karain y???aj toh muslim main har bura shamil hai jo islam main mana hai..yes i know muslims datre at girls or apko ak bat btaon hm muslim toh hain mgr sirf nam k apony kaha k yehj sab muslim s hai
i would like to explain def of muslim " A MUSLIM IS WHO WHO SUBMIT HIS WILL TO ALLAH ALMIGHTY" "MUSLAMAN WOH HAI JIS K SATH OR ZUBAN SY DOSRA MUSLAMAN M EHFOOZ RAHY"
JIS NY AIK NAMAZ CHODI USNY KUFR KIYA....i can say 1000 of examples...toh kya yeh sab muslims aj kar rahy hain dear yahi toh prob hai na aj sab islam sy dor hain or dosry logon ki tradition hm ny aopna li gain..yahi toh bat hai na aj koi sacha muslim nh..
 
or jahan tak covering ki bat hai toh quran first said about men parda then women..just read surah noor..
or women kyn cover karain Allah ny hmain body di or clothes b to cover our body..kya ap chahti ho k ap show piece bano for men ap sy sawal hai k hum apny apko over kyn nh kar saky????
 
i think u are very weak in islamic studies yar kabi ksi ka ikkah hwa toh dekh lyna k women have also right to divorce.
 
u said hamin islam main haqoqo mil b jayen kya matlab hai apka???islm main sab haqoq hai of women plz just read rights of women in islam.islam was first to give rights to women..gr hmara masshar nh dyta toh is main islm ka koi qasoor nh....
 
 

farri.muslimah

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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 9:54pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by monu1101

Originally posted by kingallahslave

Originally posted by anuradhasharma

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do u really think that dis is a useful post??..Confused....
does creating hate for other religions is informative?Confused



Who said that the information is spreading Hate ?

show me where is the Hate,everything i said is TRUTH.chk in ur newspaper,
there must be some burning case of girls.

Now don't say this is not in Vedas.How many books u follow.

If Sati was old tradition,then WHY LORD RAM DIDN'T STOP SITA.....IT MEANS GOD DIDN'T FOLLOWED VEDAS...

In my area there are rate,Doctros ,Eng. will not take less than 5 Lakhs....as Dowry (unkown to public)



ShockedShocked So Goddess Sita performed Sati.. why dint i knew that?ShockedShocked
Am sure your version of Ramayan must be an interesting read.. Please publish it online and also tell me how did Lord Rama die? You seem to have so muchh knowledge of hinduism that you can actually start preaching us hindus about it..
And wats are you talking about Sati and dowry system..
Do you even care to know that both Sati and Dowry are punishable crimes in the indian society.
Do you even know that in todays time wen Sati happens it is published in newspaper and the girls as wells as grooms family is punished for it under the law..
Sati was banned even before India gained independance..

And dowry system do you know that if a girl's family reports a case of dowry, whole of groom's family is sent to jail..Provisions are there and they are subject to use..

Your style of accusation is taking events from newspaper and labelling the entire community with it.. And wen somebody else will start raking events of your community you dismiss them as a isolated case.. Hypocrisy at its best hun.. Just a friendly suggestion dun gain knowledge by reading newspaper, newspaper only has content that in general is NOT allowed in society. In easier terms newspaper has content that should not happen in the society but has occured..thats why it makes for a news. specially the events u are talking abt.

Women are appeased in all the religious texts.. They are given the highest status in all religious books but the reality is quite different from those in books and that only women knows..

So friend try to respect others to gain respect in return.For me my religion is greatest which has given me everything and the same goes for you.

Topics like this is not allowed in IF . Here users are not allowed to abuse or accuse any religion  or indulge into religious discussion by making fun of them.. Hope the mods take care of this..



dear this is big jokeLOL i have seen many topic against islam on IFAngry..here ppls say all wrong things about islam with out any knowldge..now u are so angry that he is shwing bad things about religion and u are defending now...but when some 1 post false thing about islam when i said thm that this is not in islam and i defend my religion  then mod give my warning but if some one say bad about islam them mod dont give them warning the double standardAngry that is y i hate forums lik debte mension..where i find only anti islam and anti pakistan....

farri.muslimah

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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 10:02pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by zairasyeda

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT RIGHTS OF WOMEN IN ISLAM BUT PLEASE DON'T COMPARE WITH ANY OTHER RELIGION
 
 

farri.muslimah

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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 10:07pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by a_jalpari

Originally posted by peace_islam

Originally posted by a_jalpari

What about women's freedom and all that stuff in Islam? I am also a muslim, and i have true faith in Allah....
But what about those male in Islam who think of a woman as their property? What about the part that women has to be covered all the time from face to feet whether it's hot or cold?
About the divorce part... man can say the word "talaakh" 3 times and is free from the relationsip.. but can a women do this? NO, she has to get her husband to say it.
Even Islam itself says that women may not have all rights in this world, but she has a very high status in Heaven.
 
I respect that u r tryingto spread these thoughts... but make sure not be so extreme, and respect other religions.
 
if some one thinks women their property its fault of him not of islam.. But isn't the man muslim too?
we have to cover our body not to cover our face and this is for our safety..oh dear agr garmi hogi clothes pehno gi na kabi aisa hwa hai k garmi lagi ho or clothes na pehno hahah funny..or cold main toh woh b coverd ho jaty hain jo apni body reveal karty hain..haha IIt's really not funny the way you are talking about it... I meant why do the women have to be covered? .... Why can't the man just stop staring?
no madam did u know before nikkah both men and women have to signed it wahan coulmn hota hai jis main women ko right hai k ap talaq dy sakty hon..or 3talak kehny sy he talaq nh ho jati..Last time i checked, the man still has the right to say the words 3 times and he's free from the women.. a woman can't do that... she has to appeal and plead the man for divorce or agr talaq dy b toh usy meher b dyna padta hai or women ki responsibity us par he hoti hai divorce k bad b..
no where islam said that women have not equal rights...remember last sermon of prophet where he said "mens have right over women but women also have right over men....and islam add more responsiblities to men not rights Islam main agar humain woh hakooq mil bhi jayen to humara maashra woh haq nahi deta..... to kya iss a matlab ye ke humare maashre ke log musalmaaan nahi?
men and women boths are equall...Sure yeah... yeh to kehne ke baatein hain
 
yar khud muslims ko nh pata k islam main kya hai or kya nh toh non muslims ko kya khak pata hoga Excuse me, maine har religion padha hai... aur unn religions main Islam bhi shamil hai isloye toh woh har waqt islam k bary main propagenda karty hain that islam opress women...
i hope apko bura nh laga hoga main sirf apki ghalat fehmi door kar rahi thi as a muslim...
be proud of muslim womenSmile  ... Jee nahi iss main mind karne wali koi baat nahi... infact i'm happy to get a feedback from a muslim women... it's part of my work
 
Don't take me wrong there.... Because i'm a very neutral person.. i say what i believe is right not to have a contrevorsey over it.
 
apo yeh b dekhti homgi k west main women sif figure ki waja sy ejtram ki jati hain..they sell their daughter wifes sister in the name of art and culture...
 
here about your covering question.
 

Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil?

 

HIJAAB FOR WOMEN 

 

The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The 'hijaab' or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the 'subjugation' of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated 'hijaab', let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam

 

1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust

 

The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:

 

a. Babylonian Civilization:

 

The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.

 

c. Greek Civilization:

 

Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very 'glorious' system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an 'imaginary woman' called 'Pandora' is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.

 

d. Roman Civilization:

 

When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its 'glory', a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.

 

e. Egyptian Civilization:

 

The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.

 

f. Pre-Islamic Arabia:

 

Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.

 

2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status.

 

Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status.

 

HIJAB FOR MEN

 

People usually only discuss 'hijaab' in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur'an, Allah (swt) first mentions 'hijaab' for men before 'hijaab' for the women. The Qur'an mentions in Surah Noor:

 

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."

[Al-Qur'an 24:30]

 

The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.

 

Hijaab for women

 

The next verse of Surah Noor, says:

 

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons..."

[Al-Qur'an 24:31]

 

3. Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things

 

Complete 'hijaab', besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of 'hijaab' of the clothes is observing 'hijaab' in a limited sense. 'Hijaab' of the clothes should be accompanied by 'hijaab' of the eyes, 'hijaab' of the heart, 'hijaab' of thought and 'hijaab' of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.

 

4. Hijaab prevents molestation

 

The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur'an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:

 

"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

[Al-Qur'an 33:59]

 

The Qur'an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.

 

5. Example of twin sisters

 

Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur'an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.

 

6. Capital punishment for the rapists

 

Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this 'harsh' sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else's wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?

 

7. Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women

 

Western talk of women's liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have 'uplifted' women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketers, hidden behind the colorful screen of 'art' and 'culture'.

 

8. USA has one of the highest rates of rape

 

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got 'bolder' in the following years.

 

Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?

 

9. Implementation of Islamic Shariah will reduce the rate of rapes

 

Naturally as soon as Islamic Shariah is implemented positive results will be inevitable. If Islamic Shariah is implemented in any part of the world, whether it is America or Europe, society will breathe easier. Hijaab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity.

i hope u got my point plz u also dont take me wrong its our duty to corect our muslims bro n sisTongue

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