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Posted: 05 February 2009 at 4:57pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Maya_M

Originally posted by AsliiGuy

Originally posted by Maya_M

There is no such thing as an Indian culture. It is a melting pot.


well theres no such thing as a melting pot...


Its a tossed salad, bc cultures dont really fuse and melt together..There are green things, carrots, peas, olives (my fav) and onions, but they hold on to thier values and upbrining from where they came from..Its like me, I am Indian, but when i go to school I dont leave my Indian-culture at home..I bring it to work/school its called Aloo Ghobi and chapati! woot! Maybe Ladoo if im luckyTongue


(this is what my prof said in college for emerging socities with various cultures, except the Aloo ghobi and ladoo part)..Smile


ROFLROFLROFLKhaana pakaane wala pateela nahin mere bhai


Themelting potis an <FONT color=#ff0000>analogy</FONT> for the way in which<FONT size=2>heterogenous</FONT>societies become more<FONT size=2>homogeneous</FONT>, in which the ingredients in the pot (people of different cultures, races and religions) are combined so as to develop a<FONT size=2>multi-ethnic society</FONT>. The term, which originates from the United States, is often used to describe societies experiencing large scale immigration from many different countries.
tossed salad is the new analogy now. It's in book and taught every where..

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Posted: 05 February 2009 at 6:33pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by ashoka_was_king

Now i do realize that idol worship did originate as a form of nature worship only,
but what i'd like to know is that ->

While some forms of idol worship originate from nature not all do.  like ?


do most indian practices treat idol worship as a part of nature worship only ,
 or they treat it separately ?

Depends on the religious background and belief. Hindu scriptures actually define God as the infinite and qualityless, one that is in everything, and everything is contain in that one. Its a loopy concept to think about. The cycle of life is broken into creation, sustainment and destruction. Each part of the cycle has male and female aspects to reflect two sides of a coin, the duality of nature. These aspects further represent a smaller focus of life like wealth, health, matrimony, music, knowledge, luck etc. Most idols come from these representative deities. A person suffering from bankruptcy may choose to focus on an idol representing wealth. There are also idols representing more natural aspects like rain, sun, earth etc. When in natural need like fertile soil, rainfall, people focus on the representative idol.

Zen Buddhism instead of idols uses structures like gardens, stones, waterfalls, various species of flora and fauna to construe various philosophies of harmony, discipline, spiritualism etc. Chinese & Taiwanese practices create family altars. Deities are actually respected ancestors and famous scholars. They follow a tradition of respect, leading by example. They worship their ancestors for guidance wisdom etc. In Thailand the statue of Buddha called Ong-Bak is representative of the spiritua teachings of Buddha. Similar to a Chinese altar concept they place a very high spiritual value in what the statue represents. (It also makes for a kick a$$ movie starring Tony Jaa and his brilliant Muay Thai)

On the other hand Wiccan and Neo-Pagan earth based religions do not have idols. Their spirituality is more confined to nature and natural cylces. Like Eostre or the spring fertility festivals. They celebrate the germination of crops, the colors of spring, the mating and procreation in wildlife, the way earth comes back to life after winter. Eggs and rabbits were symbols of fertility for what they represent.There is samhain the end of summer and festival of death. It celebrates harvest, the changing of life in autumn and the acceptance of death as part of life. Then there is Yuletide. Celebration of winter, the dormancy in life. Pine & Fir trees are decorated, gits are shared in goodwill. Neo-Paganism simply blows my mind in its adaptability to new bottles.

So idol worship is used in many ways, but it literally is not worship of sticks and stones.

Ya i know that ,
but thanks for enlightening me with so much knowledge Big smile


(I mean to talk about the way the people practice these forms of worship .

While idol worship might be a form of nature worship ,

but the people practising might not think that way http://www.day.az/forum/style_emoticons/default/thinking.gif
 
Most people don't think, they just act. I doubt anyone really tries to study the theological roots of their practices )
Nah ,
what i mean to say is ,
do most of the indian people really believe that god is present in nature everywhere?
While it is true that our ancient people thought that god is everywhere,
how many believe so or believed so ,
will decide afterall what practise indians follow
Smile

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Posted: 05 February 2009 at 6:38pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Maya_M

Originally posted by AsliiGuy

Originally posted by Maya_M

There is no such thing as an Indian culture. It is a melting pot.
 
well theres no such thing as a melting pot...
 
Its a tossed salad, bc cultures dont really fuse and melt together..There are green things, carrots, peas, olives (my fav) and onions, but they hold on to thier values and upbrining from where they came from..Its like me, I am Indian, but when i go to school I dont leave my Indian-culture at home..I bring it to work/school its called Aloo Ghobi and chapati! woot! Maybe Ladoo if im luckyTongue
 
(this is what my prof said in college for emerging socities with various cultures, except the Aloo ghobi and ladoo part)..Smile
 
ROFLROFLROFL Khaana pakaane wala pateela nahin mere bhai
 



i guess he didn't mean that either Ermm

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Posted: 06 February 2009 at 4:22am | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by ashoka_was_king

Now i do realize that idol worship did originate as a form of nature worship only,
but what i'd like to know is that ->

While some forms of idol worship originate from nature not all do.


do most indian practices treat idol worship as a part of nature worship only ,
 or they treat it separately ?

Depends on the religious background and belief. Hindu scriptures actually define God as the infinite and qualityless, one that is in everything, and everything is contain in that one. Its a loopy concept to think about. The cycle of life is broken into creation, sustainment and destruction. Each part of the cycle has male and female aspects to reflect two sides of a coin, the duality of nature. These aspects further represent a smaller focus of life like wealth, health, matrimony, music, knowledge, luck etc. Most idols come from these representative deities. A person suffering from bankruptcy may choose to focus on an idol representing wealth. There are also idols representing more natural aspects like rain, sun, earth etc. When in natural need like fertile soil, rainfall, people focus on the representative idol.

Zen Buddhism instead of idols uses structures like gardens, stones, waterfalls, various species of flora and fauna to construe various philosophies of harmony, discipline, spiritualism etc. Chinese & Taiwanese practices create family altars. Deities are actually respected ancestors and famous scholars. They follow a tradition of respect, leading by example. They worship their ancestors for guidance wisdom etc. In Thailand the statue of Buddha called Ong-Bak is representative of the spiritua teachings of Buddha. Similar to a Chinese altar concept they place a very high spiritual value in what the statue represents. (It also makes for a kick a$$ movie starring Tony Jaa and his brilliant Muay Thai)

On the other hand Wiccan and Neo-Pagan earth based religions do not have idols. Their spirituality is more confined to nature and natural cylces. Like Eostre or the spring fertility festivals. They celebrate the germination of crops, the colors of spring, the mating and procreation in wildlife, the way earth comes back to life after winter. Eggs and rabbits were symbols of fertility for what they represent.There is samhain the end of summer and festival of death. It celebrates harvest, the changing of life in autumn and the acceptance of death as part of life. Then there is Yuletide. Celebration of winter, the dormancy in life. Pine & Fir trees are decorated, gits are shared in goodwill. Neo-Paganism simply blows my mind in its adaptability to new bottles.

So idol worship is used in many ways, but it literally is not worship of sticks and stones.


(I mean to talk about the way the people practice these forms of worship .

While idol worship might be a form of nature worship ,

but the people practising might not think that way http://www.day.az/forum/style_emoticons/default/thinking.gif
 
Most people don't think, they just act. I doubt anyone really tries to study the theological roots of their practices )


yes, I doubt if some people know these concepts similar to what you wrote.  I started wondering  about it when I realized that people think that Hindus have millions of Gods. They don't understand the concept that God is one and others are its forms.

In any case, I myself have some gaps in theological knowledge and need to read more.


Edited by karandel_2008 - 06 February 2009 at 4:42am

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Originally posted by raj5000

Originally posted by Golden iron

pick up all the best culture practice from all over the world and just put Indian before it Wink
Loha bhai...jabardast... 
 
question still remains what are those practice or practices that make Indian culture? OK! let me start
 
1. Believing that there is supreme power above us, that is constantly guiding/watching/helping/ready to punish(if need be). Termed as God / almighty..mentioned supreme power as some might be not nece'ly beleive in GodWink.
2. Respecting elders, no matter what.
3. Bringing or thinking more on humatrian lines while performing normal day to day deeds.
4. Trusting good  human being beyond par.
 
...
...
 
more to follow...lets agree or contradict these four first... feel free to add more...just trying to jump start this one..


Yes, there are so many good things about India culture for example:

5) Amity, brotherhood and sharing.

We care for our friends and people from the society more than what people do in many other countries. We are always ready to share the misfortune and even feel that it is our birth right to know all the secrets of our friends.

There is so much sharing in our society that a thing like 'personal car' or 'personal something' does not exist sometimes.

Compared to this, I find that some other countries are too rational. For example, If two guys become friendly they think that  they are gays. Another example: They have to take an appointment before meeting their parents Tongue and  friends.



Edited by karandel_2008 - 06 February 2009 at 4:48am

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Posted: 06 February 2009 at 7:40am | IP Logged
Originally posted by karandel_2008

Originally posted by raj5000

Originally posted by Golden iron

pick up all the best culture practice from all over the world and just put Indian before it Wink
Loha bhai...jabardast... 
 
question still remains what are those practice or practices that make Indian culture? OK! let me start
 
1. Believing that there is supreme power above us, that is constantly guiding/watching/helping/ready to punish(if need be). Termed as God / almighty..mentioned supreme power as some might be not nece'ly beleive in GodWink.
2. Respecting elders, no matter what.
3. Bringing or thinking more on humatrian lines while performing normal day to day deeds.
4. Trusting good  human being beyond par.
 
...
...
 
more to follow...lets agree or contradict these four first... feel free to add more...just trying to jump start this one..


Yes, there are so many good things about India culture for example:

5) Amity, brotherhood and sharing.

We care for our friends and people from the society more than what people do in many other countries. We are always ready to share the misfortune and even feel that it is our birth right to know all the secrets of our friends.

There is so much sharing in our society that a thing like 'personal car' or 'personal something' does not exist sometimes.

Compared to this, I find that some other countries are too rational. For example, If two guys become friendly they think that  they are gays. Another example: They have to take an appointment before meeting their parents Tongue and  friends.

LOL good point...
 
@bold -  isn't that respecting privacy... wouldn't we be mad while having candle light dinner... Mr and Mrs Sharma stops by  to check whats going on with us (thier pals) . LOL 
 
Hear yaa on bhaichara and whtever belongs to nieghbours is ours...LOL it finally comes to give and take and works well in longer term..tho i hate to lend my toolbox and carLOL

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