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Posted: 04 February 2009 at 10:02pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Gauri_3

Originally posted by ashoka_was_king

Originally posted by Gauri_3



What do idols have to do with N A T U R E Confused


Ok then ,
i'll ask it as a counter !!LOL

I think idol worship is more prevalent in india than nature worship Tongue


they do use flowers and ganga jal during idol worship.  It's akin to give utmost respect to nature - i.e., what I said in my post aboveWink.  Tumhara counter mera strong point ban gayaTongueLOL


well ,

i have heard many a times , 
that religious leaders of the past used to be against idol worship because they felt God is present in every part of the world !!

(But i am not 100% sure of the authenticity of the above statement,
so until i find a proof good enough ,
you can take the counter as your strong point http://pics.miarroba.com/caretos/lol.gif)

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Posted: 04 February 2009 at 10:09pm | IP Logged
Idol worship is one of the most misunderstood aspect of eastern religious cultures. The intent is not to elevate a stone to the status of a supreme being. Most eastern cultures are highly philosophical and metaphysical in nature. Often times the human mind is unable to wrap their minds around it. That is why large concepts are broken into chunks or humanized. These give rise to the idols, rituals and other quirky things.

Has anyone read the 'His Dark Materials' series. In its blasphemy it actually touches a lot of eastern metaphysics and mysticism.

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Posted: 04 February 2009 at 10:17pm | IP Logged
Now i do realize that idol worship did originate as a form of nature worship only,
but what i'd like to know is that ->

do most indian practices treat idol worship as a part of nature worship only ,
 or they treat it separately ?

(I mean to talk about the way the people practice these forms of worship .

While idol worship might be a form of nature worship ,
but the people practising might not think that way http://www.day.az/forum/style_emoticons/default/thinking.gif)

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Posted: 04 February 2009 at 10:40pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by ashoka_was_king

Now i do realize that idol worship did originate as a form of nature worship only,
but what i'd like to know is that ->

While some forms of idol worship originate from nature not all do.


do most indian practices treat idol worship as a part of nature worship only ,
 or they treat it separately ?

Depends on the religious background and belief. Hindu scriptures actually define God as the infinite and qualityless, one that is in everything, and everything is contain in that one. Its a loopy concept to think about. The cycle of life is broken into creation, sustainment and destruction. Each part of the cycle has male and female aspects to reflect two sides of a coin, the duality of nature. These aspects further represent a smaller focus of life like wealth, health, matrimony, music, knowledge, luck etc. Most idols come from these representative deities. A person suffering from bankruptcy may choose to focus on an idol representing wealth. There are also idols representing more natural aspects like rain, sun, earth etc. When in natural need like fertile soil, rainfall, people focus on the representative idol.

Zen Buddhism instead of idols uses structures like gardens, stones, waterfalls, various species of flora and fauna to construe various philosophies of harmony, discipline, spiritualism etc. Chinese & Taiwanese practices create family altars. Deities are actually respected ancestors and famous scholars. They follow a tradition of respect, leading by example. They worship their ancestors for guidance wisdom etc. In Thailand the statue of Buddha called Ong-Bak is representative of the spiritua teachings of Buddha. Similar to a Chinese altar concept they place a very high spiritual value in what the statue represents. (It also makes for a kick a$$ movie starring Tony Jaa and his brilliant Muay Thai)

On the other hand Wiccan and Neo-Pagan earth based religions do not have idols. Their spirituality is more confined to nature and natural cylces. Like Eostre or the spring fertility festivals. They celebrate the germination of crops, the colors of spring, the mating and procreation in wildlife, the way earth comes back to life after winter. Eggs and rabbits were symbols of fertility for what they represent.There is samhain the end of summer and festival of death. It celebrates harvest, the changing of life in autumn and the acceptance of death as part of life. Then there is Yuletide. Celebration of winter, the dormancy in life. Pine & Fir trees are decorated, gits are shared in goodwill. Neo-Paganism simply blows my mind in its adaptability to new bottles.

So idol worship is used in many ways, but it literally is not worship of sticks and stones.


(I mean to talk about the way the people practice these forms of worship .

While idol worship might be a form of nature worship ,

but the people practising might not think that way http://www.day.az/forum/style_emoticons/default/thinking.gif
 
Most people don't think, they just act. I doubt anyone really tries to study the theological roots of their practices )

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Posted: 05 February 2009 at 10:23am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Gauri_3

Originally posted by raj5000

Originally posted by Golden iron

pick up all the best culture practice from all over the world and just put Indian before it Wink
Loha bhai...jabardast... 
 
question still remains what are those practice or practices that make Indian culture? OK! let me start
 
1. Believing that there is supreme power above us, that is constantly guiding/watching/helping/ready to punish(if need be). Termed as God / almighty..mentioned supreme power as some might be not nece'ly beleive in GodWink.
2. Respecting elders, no matter what.
3. Bringing or thinking more on humatrian lines while performing normal day to day deeds.
4. Trusting good  human being beyond par.
 
...
...
 
more to follow...lets agree or contradict these four first... feel free to add more...just trying to jump start this one..


One major foundation of our Indian culture, that stems from Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism etc, is that we see god in nature.  This is different than the way most westerners see nature.  Jab phool, patton, nadiyon key liye itnee shraddha hai mann mein toh insaan key liye kyoon naheen hogi.  Most Indians I know personally still believe in nature being the mother of all living beings.
 
Or God is creator of all... I mean prakriti ka vidhata / racheyata kon hai? or atleast what is the assumption taken... Almighty. I just meant culture does point us to believe in supreme power above us. But yes, I understand and agree... nature humey pal pal ..har pal .. upar waley key honney ka ehsaas dilata hai.

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Posted: 05 February 2009 at 10:27am | IP Logged

No major contracdiction of first four here are few more to think about... about  what is our(desi) culture? or atleast bullet points.. I personally have tangents on each..will be nice to hear more views and more bullets on what you think is our culture is?... anyone ...helllooooo...LOL

-          Taking care and responsibility of family (blood relations first), based on how one is placed in family's hierarchal structure. As far as financial aspect and involvement with out side world is concerned men are more deemed to take care of it. Rest home ministries lie in the hands of female members.

-          Elders in the house should be involved in well being / growth etc etc of younger one's.

-          None of family members should be involved in deeds that accounts as being social crime or is considered as sin per the one's religious beliefs.

-          Appropriate dressing sense that reflects respect towards others and in turn earns respect to themselves.

-          Pardon younger members for unacceptable deeds, that happen due to lack of knowledge or shear maturation factor.

-          Marriages are not only bonding of two individuals but two families.

-          All efforts / sacrifices / workaround / reconciliation should be done to in order make marriages work. It is understood that marriages are not a rosy walk but hard roads with hundreds of nails smeared all over. If there are reasons that can't be overcome by (efforts / sacrifices / workaround / reconciliation) or marriage was done merely for financial gains, they way out of this bond can be seeked.

-          Doing whatever lil bit that can be done for the improvement of humankindůstarting from family / relatives / community / region/ state / country / world / universe.

...M...

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Posted: 05 February 2009 at 12:10pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Maya_M

There is no such thing as an Indian culture. It is a melting pot.
 
well theres no such thing as a melting pot...
 
Its a tossed salad, bc cultures dont really fuse and melt together..There are green things, carrots, peas, olives (my fav) and onions, but they hold on to thier values and upbrining from where they came from..Its like me, I am Indian, but when i go to school I dont leave my Indian-culture at home..I bring it to work/school its called Aloo Ghobi and chapati! woot! Maybe Ladoo if im luckyTongue
 
(this is what my prof said in college for emerging socities with various cultures, except the Aloo ghobi and ladoo part)..Smile

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