Originally posted by shyam.rathi
Thanks Charu and Lalitha, for forwarding the discussion..
Before moving ahead, i should make one thing very clear
.. I'm a religious person with faith in God and his or her teachings. Here, I'm not questioning the existence of God in any manner. All I am doing is to separate religion from science. Science can't and shouldn't try to explain the God and itz existence. In the same manner, religious faiths and Gods should not seek the help of science to prove their authenticity.. both are totally separate domains and should not clash with each other..
My problem is with those who tries to explain religious phenomenon using science. If you consider Ram and Krishna as Gods, then you should not try to prove that they are historical figures. By making them historical rather than mythological characters, you unnecessarily put them into the context of science. What is the need to prove that Ram or Krishna was a historical figure? They are Gods and their powers and existence are always there in our faiths. Then why should we analyze them in the context of history and science?
Lalitha, why should we find links which prove the historicity of these Gods. I've already analyzed your previous two links and both of them have been full of false information (please read my earlier post).
So, all I am saying here is that we should accept these Gods as mythological characters and should follow their teachings. There is no point in proving their actual existence on the Earth since these Gods are always beyond the terrestrial truths. And God really doesn't need any proof from science. They are in our faiths and that is an enough reason to believe in them.
I agree with you up to a point, but I don't agree that science should not clash at all with religion. I personally said I didn't care if there was proof of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna, because I believe that they are real, and as much history as Chanakya or Chandragupta.But there are others who want the proof that their Gods are real, because many western religions ridicule Hinduism for being polytheistic. They ridicule us for believing Ramji and Krishnaji are real, so it is a point of pride when discoveries are made that relate to Ramayan and Mahabharat. It's like a "ha in you face!" to all those western people who think we are foolish and stupid. It is also a point of pride.
And not the only discoveries, contemporary devotees like Saint Tyagaraja, Bhadrachala Ramadasu, Tulsidas, and Tukaram received darshan from Lord Ram himself. What other proof do you need? After all this, why should we believe Ramayan and Mahabharat were pure mythologies? It's staring us in the face, Ramayan and Mahabharat are history, and only due to making people realize this is God sending all this proof to us. He appears to devotees, makes people discover sites from the Treta Yuga, etc.
Even in Science itself, there are many many unexplainable questions. Does that mean science is not real? Even scientists do not try to prove that God is real with their scientific ways, because that is impossible. Science cannot explain God exists. Does that mean God is not real? No. There are many happenings in this Kali-Yug itself that science cannot explain, what then of Treta-Yug and Dwapar-Yug? You're right. We cannot explain the "scientific side" of Brahmastra or Pushpak Viman, but that does not mean they are not real. This world does not stand on science alone. There's obviously magic involved, but not the "Harry Potter" magic we imagine, but the magic of mantras and yagnas. Without our priests and mahamunis performing yagnas, this world would be long gone.
While Ram and Krishna are definitely Gods, they appeared on Earth as humans, so why can't we believe they are history? Ramji and Krishnaji lived like humans, ate like humans, etc. Ram could have killed Ravan with a snap of his finger, and Krishna could have killed all of the Kauravas the same way, but why didn't they? Because that would be going against the law of humans. Normal humans don't do that, if they did things like that, people would defintiely believe they were Gods only, and not historical figures.
There's nothing wrong in taking historical figures as Gods also. Ramji and Krishnaji were historical figures, because they were humans, but they were incarnations of Gods also, so that's why they're worshipped.
There is more of a relation between science and religion than people know. My family has these kinds of discussions at home all the time, and my dad tells me so much stuff that is enlightening. Without religion, science cannot exist. And without science, many people would not believe in religion.