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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:03am | IP Logged
What made Hindus angry in

Karnataka

Francois Gautier

06 Oct 2008 02:12:00 AM IST

I WAS born in a Catholic family. My uncle was a priest, a wonderful man of warmth and compassion and I spent most my early years in Catholic boarding schools. When I was young I wanted to become a missionary and to 'convert' pagans in Asia. What I was taught by priests was that Hindus worship false gods and they needed to be brought back to the True Word by Jesus Christ.

Then of course, I came to India and discovered that actually Hindus, far from being the heathens, as had been portrayed in Europe, not only believed God's diversity, the wonderful concept of avatar, but had given refuge to all persecuted minorities of the world, whether the Syrian Christians, the Parsis, the Jews (India is the only country in the world where Jews were not persecuted), the Armenians, or today the Tibetans. I am also aghast at the one-sided coverage by the Indian media of the Christian- Hindu problem: blasts after blasts have killed hundreds of innocent Hindus in Varanasi, Delhi, Mumbai train blasts, Jaipur, etc. Yet, neither Manmohan Singh nor Sonia Gandhi have pronounced once the word 'Islamic terrorism.' But when furious Hindus, tired of being made fun of, of witnessing their brothers and sisters converted by financials traps, of seeing a 84-year-old swami and his Mataji brutally murdered, of reading blasphemy about their Gods, vent their anger against churches, many of them makeshifts, the Indian government goes after the soft target which the Hindus are. The same thing applies to the United States: they never warned Muslim organisations in India about the killing of Hindus, but when dollars are used to buy new converts and it angers the majority community of India,Washington has the arrogance to issue a warning, and Manmohan Singh does not have the pride to tell the US to mind its own business. Neither the Indian press nor the western correspondents bothered to write about what made Hindus angry in Karnataka: Newlife, one important westernfunded missionary centre ( http://www.newlifevoice.org), began making conversions in and around Mangalore by accosting poor people in market areas, or in bus stands, befriending them and then taking them to churches to introduce them to the father. Upon introduction they were paid Rs 2,500 per person and then taken to the Velankanni shrine, in Tamil Nadu, where they would get another Rs. 3,000. When they finally converted to Christianity by changing the name, they got an incentive of Rs 10,000 onwards. Newlife would then give them instructions to abandon wearing tilak on forehead, not to visit and offer prayers at the Hindu temples, replacing the photos and idols of Hindu gods and goddesses with a Cross, etc. But what really angered local Hindus was when Newlife went one step further and published a book in Kannada ? Satya Darshini ? which was widely distributed by its missionaries. Here below is the translation of some of the most abusive passages: "Urvashi ? the daughter of Lord Vishnu ? is a prostitute. Vashistha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48). When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers (page 50). It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. "Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39). When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others? The projection of them as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39). God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods. (Page 39)." When blasphemy and much worse is brought against the most sacred Hindu Gods, Hindus are supposed to take it meekly as sheep and let themselves be converted to a foreign religion! There are more than 4,000 foreign Christian missionaries involved in conversion activities across different states. In Tripura, there were no Christians at the time of independence. There are 1,20,000 today, a 90 per cent increase since 1991. The figures are even more striking in Arunachal Pradesh, where there were only 1,710 Christians in 1961, but 1.2 million today, as well as 780 churches! In Andhra Pradesh, churches are coming up every day in far-flung villages and there was even an attempt to set up one near Tirupati. Christians throughout the ages have strived on the concept of persecution and as a brought up Catholic, I remember feeling bad about all those martyred saints of Christianity. Christians in India like to say that they are only two per cent and can do no harm. But it is a sham: in the Tamil Nadu coastal belt from Chennai to Kanyakumari, there must be now 10 per cent Christians posttsunami and the same may be true in other parts of south India. My heart goes out to Karnataka Chief Minister BS Yeddyurappa who took a courageous stand against unethical Christian conversions, but is now under pressure from the Centre. The BJP, having learnt from bitter experience that the Congress has no qualm in invoking President's rule under fallacious pretexts in states which are ruled by non-Congress governments is in a quandary: it must show some action against militant Hindu groups while remaining true to itself. This is why Yeddyurappa took some action against Hindu groups while saying that his government will not tolerate forcible conversions and will take stringent action against missionaries involved in conversions. And ultimately, the blame must fall on Hindus: they are 800 million in India, the overwhelming majority; they have the brains, they have the money and they have the power. But either their intellectual and political class sides with the minorities, out of fear, inferiority complex imbedded by the British or just sheer crass political opportunism, or the bigger mass is indifferent inert, selfish, un-civic conscious. Every Hindu is the inheritor of the only surviving spiritual knowledge which at the moment is under a concerted attack by Christian missionaries, Americanisation, Marxism and Islamic fundamentalism.

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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 6:00pm | IP Logged
Can't really reply honestly as that'll be against the COC of IF (You can refer to the last para of the report and you'll know why it's so Wink)
 
So, I'll write only the part that'll make most people happy, that's the Hindus were wrong. I certainly don't support the conversion by missionaries, but IMO the way the issue was handled this time was wrong. It made life miserable for everyone in that area and not just those who're involved in forced or induced or fraudulent conversions. If we've to fight, then we've to fight against those misguiding missionaries not the poor people who unwittingly changed religion for some money. We must understand that a proper meal comes before religion. A person who's hungry will have no qualms about changing his religion if the new religion promises to feed him. For him Rs.10,000 has more value than Hinduism or Christianity. Killing these people serves no purpose except than instilling fear in others against converting into a foreign religion. But is that the ultimate goal, or is the goal to stop the missionaries?? So, IMO there must be an alternative way to stop the fraudulent conversions, maybe a legal recourse through which we can ensure that fraudulent conversions doesn't take place anymore. Because afterall, burning alive people or destroying properties of poor innocent people is not only unacceptable but also I honestly refuse to believe, that it is the only way to stop these conversions.


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Posted: 19 October 2008 at 5:25am | IP Logged
Originally posted by souro

Can't really reply honestly as that'll be against the COC of IF (You can refer to the last para of the report and you'll know why it's so Wink)
 
So, I'll write only the part that'll make most people happy, that's the Hindus were wrong. I certainly don't support the conversion by missionaries, but IMO the way the issue was handled this time was wrong. It made life miserable for everyone in that area and not just those who're involved in forced or induced or fraudulent conversions. If we've to fight, then we've to fight against those misguiding missionaries not the poor people who unwittingly changed religion for some money. We must understand that a proper meal comes before religion. A person who's hungry will have no qualms about changing his religion if the new religion promises to feed him. For him Rs.10,000 has more value than Hinduism or Christianity. Killing these people serves no purpose except than instilling fear in others against converting into a foreign religion. But is that the ultimate goal, or is the goal to stop the missionaries?? So, IMO there must be an alternative way to stop the fraudulent conversions, maybe a legal recourse through which we can ensure that fraudulent conversions doesn't take place anymore. Because afterall, burning alive people or destroying properties of poor innocent people is not only unacceptable but also I honestly refuse to believe, that it is the only way to stop these conversions.
 
oh ok. actually the text isnt writted by me.. i think i will edit it..
well, its true, i agree i the fact of that food comes b4 religion, as its more a social matter while mone is a health matter, but missionaries come wid the idea of giving help widout any cost, freely no matter wich the religion, caste, and person is while its needed. They only help if ppl is ready to convert, but not only convert and call himsef a catholic but also to influence on his neighbours, friends, families, go every week to church, pray every day and well, things so radical that not even christians of europe or america do.
sum years ago, missionaries were needed in sum small villages maybe.. however i dont remember that India called them, or asked for help from others countries anyways Confused.
To beleive or not beleive, be or not be, its a personal decision of each person. But I dont want even to imagine wat wud be the condition of poor ppl if they refuse money for conversion. Ouch Because, sum missionaries make miserable the life of poor ppl and dare to call themselves helpers...
If there is any poorty in India, then there are a lot of solutions nowadays, infact, the money that missionaries are investing for religion, can solve sum economical problems of occident, bcz right now we are in crisis here, and they are thinking of religion! Confused
unbelievable.

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sorry... double post (pressed quote instead of edit D'oh)



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Originally posted by souro

Originally posted by Girl_2007

 
oh ok. actually the text isnt writted by me.. i think i will edit it.. It's okay, you need not bother. I know that it's not written by you. I meant, that the reason why I ain't saying all that I've to say is already explained in the last para of the report.
well, its true, i agree i the fact of that food comes b4 religion, as its more a social matter while mone is a health matter, but missionaries come wid the idea of giving help widout any cost, freely no matter wich the religion, caste, and person is while its needed. They only help if ppl is ready to convert, but not only convert and call himsef a catholic but also to influence on his neighbours, friends, families, go every week to church, pray every day and well, things so radical that not even christians of europe or america do. I agree with this. Infact, there was a debate where I mentioned that how'd the Christians feel if Hindu organisations like Ramkrishna Mission or Bhrat Seva Ashram during relief operations choose to help only Hindu people and ask the rest of the people to first convert to Hinduism before expecting anything. Help in times of need should be unconditional. 
sum years ago, missionaries were needed in sum small villages maybe.. however i dont remember that India called them, or asked for help from others countries anyways Confused. This may not be so easy as you make it sound, which is why I'd prefer some legal recourse, may be even framing some news laws against fraudulent conversion, to counter the missionaries. If we do it forcibly, then the western countries can also say that they didn't ask the Indians to go and settle there and build temples, so they'll have as much right to destroy those. And seeing that there's a sizeable population of NRI or people of Indian origin in the western countries, we'll have to think about the impact that can take place on their lives. But if we ban conversion, then it becomes illegal and then if we take action agaisnt the Missionaries for engaging in illegal practices then the western countries won't be able to say anything.
 
To beleive or not beleive, be or not be, its a personal decision of each person. But I dont want even to imagine wat wud be the condition of poor ppl if they refuse money for conversion. Ouch Because, sum missionaries make miserable the life of poor ppl and dare to call themselves helpers... I agree with this part too, exploitation by missionaries is a big issue especially in tribal areas or in places where literacy is not very high. But along with blaming the missionaries we must also realise that it's also happening because somewhere we failed as a society and as a nation and the missionaries are only taking advantage of that failings. If we make every person literate enough to understand how they are usually exploited and if we can make them self-sufficient then no way they'll come under the influence of those missionaries.
If there is any poorty in India, then there are a lot of solutions nowadays, infact, the money that missionaries are investing for religion, can solve sum economical problems of occident, bcz right now we are in crisis here, and they are thinking of religion! Confused
unbelievable.
Yeah it's unbelievable that people do it in the name of reliegion, but then there's nothing unbelievable in it as it has been the norm rather than the exception for centuries now for two religions in particular where they take advantage of every single opportunity to show that they are superior. Only dumb thing in the whole of this is that both claim to be superior, both claim to be the only true religion and neither can actually prove it other than quoting some illogical stuff about gods and fairies from their books which we're supposed to believe as the ultimate truth and yet expect other religions to give absolute proof that their gods are real. Confused

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Posted: 13 December 2008 at 7:58am | IP Logged
Originally posted by SolidSnake

Originally posted by aaax

pakistan ny usa k sath mill kar war on terror main apna pak k hal taba toh kar diya hai or kya chahty ho ab..jao sab sy pehly usa jo duniya k bada terrorist hai usko khtam karo

Sabse pehle har cheez ke liye US ko blame karna band karo, apne andar jhaank kar dekho pata chalega ki inn sabke ke liye agar koi zimmedaar hai to woh khud Pakistan hai. Pakistan ka abhi tak wajood hai woh bhi US ki wajah se hai. It was Pakistan's decision to join US camp (CENTO, SEATO etc) during cold war, it was Pakistan's decision to become front line state for US, it was Pakistan's decision to join Afghan war against USSR...it was Pakistan's decision to become world's Jihadi factory....

Ab to apni galti maan lo, besharmi ki bhi hadh hoti hai.
 
 
oohhh stop it wajood or woh b us sy hahaha a big joke mainy pehly b kaha yeh pakistan Allah Almighty ny humain gift main diya takeh hum islam k mutabiq is ko run karain...MAGAR AFSOS k pakistan k leaders ny aisa kuch nh kiya balky sara usa k kehny par apni c**try ko barbad kar rha hai.agr yeh pakistan ko islam k mutabiq rum karty toh 1000000% sure k aj pakistn ka yeh hal na hota...pakistan main koi aik na marta na marta mgr
 
is so called war on terror   USA(only gov and some ppls...not all) jo khud itna bada terrorist ho woh terrorist k khilaf kya war kary ga hahahaha....
 
or jihadi factory OF PLZ TELL ME WHAT IS JIHAD PLZ EXPLAIN IT TO ME IN ISLAMIC POINT VEIW
 
agr jihad ka matlab pata hota na toh aj tum in terrorist ko jihadi na bol rahi hoti....jab apk country k jawan war main mar jaty hain toh unko kya bolty ho SHAHEED this is we called them jihadi not who kill himself and also other ppls with bomb blast...
 
pehly information ly kar aya karo phir bola karo...ksi pr fazoooool k ilzam lagana b behsarmi ki had hoti hai

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Posted: 14 December 2008 at 5:46am | IP Logged
Originally posted by aaax

Originally posted by SolidSnake

Originally posted by aaax

pakistan ny usa k sath mill kar war on terror main apna pak k hal taba toh kar diya hai or kya chahty ho ab..jao sab sy pehly usa jo duniya k bada terrorist hai usko khtam karo

Sabse pehle har cheez ke liye US ko blame karna band karo, apne andar jhaank kar dekho pata chalega ki inn sabke ke liye agar koi zimmedaar hai to woh khud Pakistan hai. Pakistan ka abhi tak wajood hai woh bhi US ki wajah se hai. It was Pakistan's decision to join US camp (CENTO, SEATO etc) during cold war, it was Pakistan's decision to become front line state for US, it was Pakistan's decision to join Afghan war against USSR...it was Pakistan's decision to become world's Jihadi factory....

Ab to apni galti maan lo, besharmi ki bhi hadh hoti hai.
 
 
oohhh stop it wajood or woh b us sy hahaha a big joke mainy pehly b kaha yeh pakistan Allah Almighty ny humain gift main diya takeh hum islam k mutabiq is ko run karain...MAGAR AFSOS k pakistan k leaders ny aisa kuch nh kiya balky sara usa k kehny par apni c**try ko barbad kar rha hai.agr yeh pakistan ko islam k mutabiq rum karty toh 1000000% sure k aj pakistn ka yeh hal na hota...pakistan main koi aik na marta na marta mgr
 
is so called war on terror   USA(only gov and some ppls...not all) jo khud itna bada terrorist ho woh terrorist k khilaf kya war kary ga hahahaha....
 
or jihadi factory OF PLZ TELL ME WHAT IS JIHAD PLZ EXPLAIN IT TO ME IN ISLAMIC POINT VEIW
 
agr jihad ka matlab pata hota na toh aj tum in terrorist ko jihadi na bol rahi hoti....jab apk country k jawan war main mar jaty hain toh unko kya bolty ho SHAHEED this is we called them jihadi not who kill himself and also other ppls with bomb blast...
 
pehly information ly kar aya karo phir bola karo...ksi pr fazoooool k ilzam lagana b behsarmi ki had hoti hai
 
lol lol aax, from where did u brought up this topic?? LOL Confused
plus.. ur comments.. ahem, this topic is related to the so called missionaires in India.. jihad and muslim religion isnt related to it..
and, if u wanted to mean something related to my post, please explain. Smile

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Posted: 14 December 2008 at 6:25am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Girl_2007

Originally posted by aaax

Originally posted by SolidSnake

Originally posted by aaax

pakistan ny usa k sath mill kar war on terror main apna pak k hal taba toh kar diya hai or kya chahty ho ab..jao sab sy pehly usa jo duniya k bada terrorist hai usko khtam karo

Sabse pehle har cheez ke liye US ko blame karna band karo, apne andar jhaank kar dekho pata chalega ki inn sabke ke liye agar koi zimmedaar hai to woh khud Pakistan hai. Pakistan ka abhi tak wajood hai woh bhi US ki wajah se hai. It was Pakistan's decision to join US camp (CENTO, SEATO etc) during cold war, it was Pakistan's decision to become front line state for US, it was Pakistan's decision to join Afghan war against USSR...it was Pakistan's decision to become world's Jihadi factory....

Ab to apni galti maan lo, besharmi ki bhi hadh hoti hai.
 
 
oohhh stop it wajood or woh b us sy hahaha a big joke mainy pehly b kaha yeh pakistan Allah Almighty ny humain gift main diya takeh hum islam k mutabiq is ko run karain...MAGAR AFSOS k pakistan k leaders ny aisa kuch nh kiya balky sara usa k kehny par apni c**try ko barbad kar rha hai.agr yeh pakistan ko islam k mutabiq rum karty toh 1000000% sure k aj pakistn ka yeh hal na hota...pakistan main koi aik na marta na marta mgr
 
is so called war on terror   USA(only gov and some ppls...not all) jo khud itna bada terrorist ho woh terrorist k khilaf kya war kary ga hahahaha....
 
or jihadi factory OF PLZ TELL ME WHAT IS JIHAD PLZ EXPLAIN IT TO ME IN ISLAMIC POINT VEIW
 
agr jihad ka matlab pata hota na toh aj tum in terrorist ko jihadi na bol rahi hoti....jab apk country k jawan war main mar jaty hain toh unko kya bolty ho SHAHEED this is we called them jihadi not who kill himself and also other ppls with bomb blast...
 
pehly information ly kar aya karo phir bola karo...ksi pr fazoooool k ilzam lagana b behsarmi ki had hoti hai
 
lol lol aax, from where did u brought up this topic?? LOL Confused
plus.. ur comments.. ahem, this topic is related to the so called missionaires in India.. jihad and muslim religion isnt related to it..
and, if u wanted to mean something related to my post, please explain. Smile
 
oho yar what is this mainy kahin or rep di thi yahan kahan agye hahaha.. i dont know hey sorry for mistakeLOL

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